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What if the number of deaths in India keep climbing and they finally, say its payback time and lob their nukes over to China
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Half-truths and missing information
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Not the part about Fraud-chi, NR
I know you read the report, I saw you comment on it
Too many unlikely coincidences re the virus
You know it, I. Know it
Lots of people know it
Even the guy who used to write for Science and the NYT knows it
Wake up and smell the caramel macchiato
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People like nr are the problem. They can't believe humans would actually make mistakes...unless they're named Trump.
China has stumbled upon the perfect weapon, funded by their advisory, no less.
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China will get a pass on this just like they get a pass on the genocide that has been underway against the uighurs.
Just like they got a pass on Tiananmen massacre just like they get a pass on the Hong Kong violence just like they get a pass on everything because corporations and governments want those china bux.
It's only a matter of time before they take Taiwan and they will get a pass on that too.
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They got a pass on taking Grandpa's anus
I mean son
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I guess you're right, zeros. China pretty much own corporate America and many in our government. I hope maybe India will have the balls to call them out.
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*owns
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It is important to get to the bottom of what caused the virus to circulate so rapidly. Was it a leak or escape from a lab or thru animal (bat) transmission. Knowing how this happened is critical to preventing fire covid viral infections. As some have noted the US was heavily invested in that Wuhan lab. The plot thickens??
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If you want to waddle into the debate on the origins of SARS-CoV-2, reading just Wade's article isn't a good idea because it is rather one-sided.
So I've attached two sets of tweets from Kristian G. Andersen that counter Wade's argument on the science of SARS-CoV-2's origin.
His main points (in my opinion):
1. It's not unusual we haven't yet found natural hosts and reservoirs for SARS-CoV-2 before the pandemic. This type of work can take decades to uncover.
2. We only know a tiny fraction of the viruses circulating in the wild, and thus it's premature to say that it's unlikely that the furin cleavage site and the double CGG codon originated in nature.
Yes, we need to investigate this further. I have no fucking clue how it started. But that's not what all this new excitement is about. This is about the issue becoming politicized by those (particularly on the right) who find in convenient to adopt the "it originated in the lab" hypothesis because it attacks two political enemies simultaneously -- China and Fauci. Yes, politically-motivated folks doing what they does best -- creating another conspiracy theory that these evil forces are out to destroy us. (Actually not me because I'm one of them  ).
It's astonishing to me that now people who have worked hard over the last year to clamp down on this pandemic are being blamed for its creation.
Yes, we're studying dangerous viruses and making them even more dangerous by performing "gain of function" experiments. The work is done with good intentions -- to understand them better so we can anticipate future pandemics that could happen in nature. If the lab lead origin is true, it's because one of these viruses that was being studied for this purpose got out. And that would be horribly, horribly tragic.
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China is not rich not enough to own many American corporations and politicians. Influence yes, but USA is still richer.
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Occam's razor unequivocally points to a laboratory escape, something that scientists have been openly concerned about since the dawn of biotechnology at least as far back as the Asilomar Conference in 1975. Going against the recommendations of many scientists, Fauci advocated and funded gain of function coronavirus research in a hostile, secretive totalitarian communist county hellbent on becoming the only world superpower at a lab called out for sloppy technique. And then, having done more than any American to cause the pandemic, he becomes a "hero." A novelist couldn't come up with a better--or more tragic--plot.
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It is so sad that the left calls anything they are uncomfortable with a "conspiracy theory." This kind of bone-headed thinking means they are not interested in knowing the truth. They are only interested in their political agenda and enriching themselves through corruption and stealing our hard-earned tax dollars.
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By owning, I don't mean literally. I mean they are China's lap dog. They have reaped huge profits--making the oligarchs insanely wealthy--killing American manufacturing by moving it all to China. They gave all our technology away. They ignore China's abuses so they have access to their market and manufacturing might.
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All of this conjecture could have been cleared up by China letting independent 3rd parties (not part of bureaucratic WHO lackeys) have access to the Wuhan lab. CCP has had plenty of time to clean up any evidence even if they do allow anyone there now.
With close to 3.4 million deaths globally, there is still no pressure on China to give access. If a virus from the U.S. had caused this much devastation don't you think the U.S. would cooperate? Even Iraq and Iran allowed nuclear inspectors and their technology didn't kill a single person.
China will only do what they're forced to do. Until then, they're going to wave the middle finger at the rest of the world. CCP knows politicians in the West are short on patriotism and our corporate leaders are only going to do what is best for their bottom line.
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The lab leak hypothesis is finally being taken seriously
As scientists such as Ralph Baric who heads UNCs study of coronavirus and its gain of function research & has worked with the wuhan lab along with the NIH & fauci in this regard is urging more investigation
Unfortunately threat of racism against Asians is being used to stifle any progress, along with chinas lack of cooperatIon and the WHO placing Peter Daszak as head of its investigation into the matter.
Daszak remember is the head of the Ecohealth alliance which works alongside the wuhan lab in its gain of function research...partially funded by the NIH
Can u say conflict of interest?
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Fun stuff!
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Watch the video, fascinating!
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"This type of work can take decades to uncover."
That's a bad argument. Scientists found the intermediary mutant strains of SARS showing where it jumped and how it evolved after it jumped, very quickly. Wade's article even discusses this:
"In the case of SARS1, researchers have documented the successive changes in its spike protein as the virus evolved step by step into a dangerous pathogen. After it had gotten from bats into civets, there were six further changes in its spike protein before it became a mild pathogen in people. After a further 14 changes, the virus was much better adapted to humans, and with a further 4 the epidemic took off.
But when you look for the fingerprints of a similar transition in SARS2, a strange surprise awaits. The virus has changed hardly at all, at least until recently. From its very first appearance, it was well adapted to human cells. Researchers led by Alina Chan of the Broad Institute compared SARS2 with late stage SARS1, which by then was well adapted to human cells, and found that the two viruses were similarly well adapted. “By the time SARS-CoV-2 was first detected in late 2019, it was already pre-adapted to human transmission to an extent similar to late epidemic SARS-CoV,” they wrote." https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.073262v1
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I don't think so.
Evidence of Self Spreading Vaccines Being Used For Depopulation 569,831 views
Klaus Schwab Wrote the Script for Covid-19 Great Reset Lock down Takeover
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"That's a bad argument. Scientists found the intermediary mutant strains of SARS showing where it jumped and how it evolved after it jumped, very quickly. Wade's article even discusses this:"
It's not a bad argument, and if you bothered to look at more sources besides Wade's article, you would see that, as was the case with Ebola, HIV, HepC, and other coronaviruses such as HKU1, NL63, and OC43, it either took decades to find the reservoirs where these came from, or we still haven't even found them yet.
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"How an infectious disease crosses the animal-human barrier is a riddle that can take years to solve." -- WHO
We simply don't know the origins, unless of course you let your politics bias you. Then of course you know
Just like the election was a fraud.
Just like COVID is a hoax.
Just like Biden is a puppet of the CCP
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"I don't think so.
Evidence of Self Spreading Vaccines Being Used For Depopulation 569,831 views
Klaus Schwab Wrote the Script for Covid-19 Great Reset Lock down Takeover"
I think I'd like you more if you talked about titties instead.
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I think most of us would rather nr didn't talk at all.. Just sayin..
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This is what happens under our free market economy huh. They learned from USSR’s mistakes
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So far cancel culture hasn't reached the HX blogs.
Always good to hear others opinions.
The economic and psychological damage due to the shutdowns in CA
has greatly affected HX and I don't think will ever come back.
We're going to have to adjust to a different way of life in the future.
Unfortunately for many, it will be miserable.
For many of the HX guys, they will be ok, but for many of the ladies,
it will be tough.
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For now China gets a pass. However in the long run, I believe they will fail.
This idea that you can control the masses only lasts for awhile.
I believe that humans innately want to be free.
There is a high power than rules over all humans.
We didn't create ourselves. 😎 👍
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The biggest conspiracy theorists I know are folks like NR who theorize that everything is a conspiracy theory. The two "arguments" he gives are not really arguments: Just because we haven't found the reservoir doesn't mean it didn't occur in nature and "we only know a tiny fraction of viruses circulating in the wild." True. That's like saying just because we have never observed an atomic bomb in nature doesn't mean it couldn't occur in nature.
David Wade's piece is but one of many I have read over the past year making a very strong scientific case that SARS-CoV-2 was likely released from the Wuhan lab, probably accidentally. In fact, the first I recall reading was over a year ago by an Australian scientist, perhaps willing to speak out because he was not (or less) dependent on the NIAID and Fauci for his paycheck. (There have been a number of articles/opinion pieces, including at least one in uber-liberal Washington Post, saying that scientists are afraid to speak out because Fauci and NIH director Francis Collins will defund them if they say anything.) The most biased people are not the ones postulating the lab origin, but rather, people like Fauci, Daszak and the Chinese, who are promoting a natural origin, because they, in fact, are culpable for the death of over three million people.
Highlights from Wade's article quoting some of the best scientists in America (including a Nobel laureate) :
"It is clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses and was assessing their ability to infect human cells and human-ACE2-expressing mice," says Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and leading expert on biosafety. "It is also clear," Dr. Ebright said, "that, depending on the constant genomic contexts chosen for analysis, this work could have produced SARS-CoV-2 or a proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2."
"It is clear that some or all of this work was being performed using a biosafety standard-- biosafety level 2, the biosafety level of a standard US dentist's office -- that would pose an unacceptably high risk of infection of laboratory staff upon contact with a virus having the transmission properties of SARS-CoV-2," says Ebright.
Under the lab-escape scenario, the [improbable gene] insert is easy to explain. "Since 1992 the virology community has known that the one sure way to make a virus deadlier is to give it a furin cleavage site," writes Dr. Steven Quay, a biotech entrepreneur interested in the origins of SARS2. At least 11 such experiments have been published, including one by Dr. Shi.
"When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus," said David Baltimore, an eminent virologist and former president of the California Institute of Technology.
"These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2," he said.
Again, the most parsimonious, scientific explanation for the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 is that humans went to bat caves, collected deadly viruses, brought them to Wuhan, knowingly manipulated them to make them more infectious through accelerated evolution, "gain of function" (with our tax dollars through Dr. Fauci), and a lab worker or workers accidentally became infected, resulting in the deaths of over 3 million people worldwide. No need to speculate about how the virus mysteriously and by coincidence made it from southern China to a wet market next to the Wuhan virus factory, through an undetermined intermediate host or hosts, gained a highly improbable genetic code through natural evolution, and then jumped to humans.
You don't even need to add on the fact that China withheld information and limited access to cover it's tracks, or that the scientists most responsible for the deaths of over 3 million people are also the ones vigorously promulgating a "natural" origin.
Go ahead, NR (and the rest of the finger pointing "Conspiracy Theory!" world), stick your head in the sand. Give China a pass, and get ready to prep your arm for a yearly (or more) vaccine that you will hopefully get before ending up on a ventilator due to the next coronavirus.
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The underlying issue here is that if the lab leak hypothesis turns out to be true
China isn't ultimately culpable....
the USA is, along with our govt scientific institutions
the Wuhan Institute of Virology was using funds from the NIH for gain of function research
we now know this
ultimately, it comes down to one person Dr. Anthony Fauci
who as the USA's foremost scientist & head of NIAID
advocated for and somehow restarted funding for gain of function research in 2017
under trumps incompetent presidency
The origin of covid is the most important question of the decade
& could end up being the most important question of the century if it goes unanswered
Lab leak is the only covid origin hypothesis with any evidence behind it and for some reason the world has stopped investigating it
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Bird said:
"The biggest conspiracy theorists I know are folks like NR who theorize that everything is a conspiracy theory. The two ‘arguments’ he gives are not really arguments: Just because we haven't found the reservoir doesn't mean it didn't occur in nature and ‘we only know a tiny fraction of viruses circulating in the wild.’ True. That's like saying just because we have never observed an atomic bomb in nature doesn't mean it couldn't occur in nature."
Right. Because I prefer facts to bullshit. Notice I didn't say it didn't happen. I just have said I have no clue because there is not enough hard evidence, just as there isn't evidence for a natural origin either yet. On the other hand, you have already made up your mind despite the lack of hard evidence, something even Nicholas Wade won't do (although he clearly has a bias).
Also, the arguments I have given are valid and, in the past have often explained why it normally takes a while for us to figure out the origins of a virus (like HIV). You counter argument is preposterous.
"scientists are afraid to speak out because Fauci and NIH director Francis Collins will defund them if they say anything."
Scientists aren't afraid to speak out. Most of them are uncertain on the matter due to lack of evidence on both sides. Many are calling for an investigation, which, unlike your accusations, makes sense at this time. There only a few that you quote that seem to have made up their mind. There are also those scientists that argue the opposite, like about the furin cleavage site. Have you looked at what they had to say, bird? Probably not — more evidence that you really don’t care to examine all the possibilities before you made up your mind.
"Fauci..[is] culpable for the death of over three million people."
The only way this comment makes any sense is that it comes from an ideologue with an axe to grind. Even if the virus did escape the lab, Fauci was not for experiments that focused on making coronaviruses more virulent and transmissible. The purpose of the NIH grant he ok’d was to study “the risk of future coronavirus (CoV) emergence from wildlife using in-depth field investigations across the human-wildlife interface in China.” Experiments would “test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice.” Does this sound like the purpose was to make meaner, badder viruses? Of course not. Note, I don’t care what Richard Ebright said. None of the virus samples used to conduct the experiment I just brought up were or could have been transformed to be the new coronavirus that caused covid-19. Hell, all but two of the viruses they made in that paper couldn’t even reproduce themselves.
“Again, the most parsimonious, scientific explanation…[is the lab escape hypothesis].”
It’s only the most parsimonious explanation because you don’t have all the facts. Might not be the case when we do.
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YAWN @ nr...
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NR
Do you find it acceptable that the WHO appointed someone to lead the COVID investigation in China who has worked with and funded the wuhan institute of virology for over a decade?
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Don't know much about that, but any investigation ideally should be done from independent sources.
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IGNORANCE
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IS
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BLISS
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Yeah, like W.H.O. NR? I know, we'll just take China's word.
You are really ignorant, stupid or lack common sense nr.
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Someone who worked and funded the Wuhan Institute doesn’t sound like an independent source.
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So you don't believe it came from the Wuhan lab nr?
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I don’t know where it came from.
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I think the evidence is pretty indisputable that it came from that region of China.
Now if they confirm that it came from a lab we might have something of substance that could be enforced. If enough countries stood up against this I think we might see some real change.
It's a longshot. The CCP disinformation campaign has already kicked into overdrive.
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It's funny because last year when the "did it come from a lab" thing was started, everyone shit on the idea immediately. But now its actually given some credence by the same ones that shit on it.
The only difference is orange man isn't around anymore.
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Well, it's quite obvious Covid19 originated in China. Sure seems that no Country is willing to step up to the plate and hold China accountable. The only man willing to do that was LABELED a Racist and booted out of office.
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Be had a full year to do something other the spokesman tweets and a tit for tat traffic war nexus nothing. He could have bbombedthe lab. He could have called for the expulsion of China from the UN. He basically did nothing. He could have fired and arrested Fauci for treason. He did nothing. The only thing he did was pardon criminals. Basically he was a coward. At least you acknowledge he lost the election!
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great pivot^
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Yes, I'm sure bombing a Chinese lab would not have ANY consequences at all.
:::eyeroll thingy:::
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I find it interesting China is accused of crimes against humanity for its treatment of Muslims in its country.
I find it interesting the COVID virus originated in an area of China known for the manufacturing of viruses.
I find it interesting that China and the CCP are highly prejudiced against African folks and other minorities.
I find it interesting COVID deaths disproportionately affects black folks three times greater than it does for Asians.
Put those together and you have an ultimate conspiracy theory on par with other mass genocides.
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I find it interesting that world leaders are too pussy to stand up to them.
If enough countries stood up to China, there isn't much they could do.
By the time balls are grown, it will be too late.
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Well, there was on world leader who had the balls to take a hard line approach to China
He was just racist tho
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