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Locked. No further comments permitted.Mask Mandate Facts vs Fiction
Apr 19 2022 11:46AM more by Waterdisport22
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If you add up all the numbers on those two lines, you find that the mask mandates made zero difference. The cumulative rate of infection over the course of the pandemic was about 24 percent in the mandate states as well as in the non-mandate states.

Their cumulative rates of Covid mortality were virtually identical, too (in fact, there were slightly more deaths per capita in the states with mask mandates).

If this hasnt persuaded you to take off your mask, you can find lots more reasons in a book by Ian Miller, the data analyst who created the graph for City Journal. Miller, who has tracked pandemic trends for the Brownstone Institute, has assembled the damning evidence in Unmasked: The Global Failure of COVID Mask Mandates.

The book documents how mask mandates were implemented without scientific justification, how they failed around the world, and how public officials and journalists have kept making fools of themselves by pretending otherwise.

In their pre-Covid planning strategies for a pandemic, neither the Centers for Disease Control nor the World Health Organization had recommended masking the public for good reason. Randomized clinical trials involving flu viruses had shown, contrary to popular wisdom in Japan and other Asian countries, that there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission, as the WHO summarized the scientific literature.

The pandemic planners at the United Kingdoms Department of Health had reached a similar conclusion: In line with the scientific evidence, the Government will not stockpile facemasks for general use in the community.

Anthony Fauci acknowledged this evidence early in the pandemic, both in his public comments (Theres no reason to be walking around with masks, he told 60 Minutes) and in his private emails (I do not recommend you wear a mask, he told a colleague, explaining that masks were too porous to block the small Covid virus).

Meantime, the medias favorite experts kept predicting doom for states that never mandated masks, like Florida, or that ended the mandates early in 2021, like Iowa, whose policy shift was denounced as reckless and delusional in a Washington Post article headlined, Welcome to Iowa, a state that doesnt care if you live or die.

Iowas Covid death toll plummeted right after the article appeared. Over the course of the pandemic, both Iowa and Florida have done better than the national average in measures of Covid mortality as well as overall excess mortality (the number of deaths more than normal from all causes).

Covering up may give the maskaholics a false sense of security but they could breathe more easily if theyd just face the facts.


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Apr 19 2022 11:47AM     link to this

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Apr 19 2022 12:12PM     link to this

But the droplets.... Night rider...
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Apr 19 2022 12:16PM     link to this

The trajectories of both curves are highly correlated, meaning there are common factors that may make it difficult to use the small amount of variance in these curves to compare efficacy of mitigation methods.

There are methods you can use that circumvent this problem, including regress case numbers of individual states over time. These methods have had more success at finding associations.

Night-Rider
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Apr 19 2022 12:27PM     link to this

How you present the data can really do a wonderful job covering up for effects.

I saw someone present two trajectories for number of hospitalizations, one with states that had the 10 % highest vaccination rate, and one with the 10% lowest vaccination rate, and the trajectories were also rather similar, so no effect, right?

But if you separate out vaccinated vs unvaccinated and then present the trajectories, there was a huge difference.

Night-Rider
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Apr 19 2022 12:29PM     link to this

Any textbook that is one sided and won't present the good and the bad is something you should have reservations about. Nothing is 100% either way.
Waterdisport22
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Apr 19 2022 03:40PM     link to this

Blah blah blah blah NR...

Face it.

Lets say it together class.....YOU WERE WRONG.

Fauci....WAS WRONG

World Health Organization----WRONG

Biden---WRONG

Gov Hairdo---WRONG

Red States..lock down...masking----WRONG.
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Numbers do not lie. The people above do.

And....will include you as well NR......WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Waterdisport22
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Apr 19 2022 03:43PM     link to this

This chart proves it...READ IT. Daily cases.....sheesh NR.

Can not make it any bigger for you.
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GoBallsDeep
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Apr 19 2022 03:47PM     link to this

Never forget that Cheese consumption is correlated with the Number of people who died by becoming tangled in their bedsheets................causation? Which direction?
Better run a regression analysis!


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Waterdisport22
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Apr 19 2022 03:48PM     link to this

And....u did not even read the article NR....FFS

Europe showed the SAME results. Why? Well there is not a difference between us...as humans and how a virus would infect humans.
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All the so called EXPERTS........WRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG
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Apr 19 2022 03:49PM     link to this

It's a moot point, Federal Judge just declared CDC mask mandates unconstitutional.
At least 4 airlines made the announcement in mid-air and 99% took off their masks

It's fucking over!
Waterdisport22
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Apr 19 2022 03:56PM     link to this

One thing you need to know.

The left NEVER gives up.

I agree regarding what the judge said.



Biden admin today said they will fight it.

Which means court/judge shopping OR.....they said it to appease their base and will move on.

Time will tell but I think they may actually fight it in a different court.


Time will tell.....
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Apr 19 2022 05:53PM     link to this

How to help Ukraine.
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Angler1
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Apr 19 2022 06:07PM     link to this

The USA needs our money, not a Country half way around the World.
wunanddun
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Apr 19 2022 09:49PM     link to this

I'd find an alternate organization to donate to than the Soros associated one posted in this thread.
Waterdisport22
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Apr 20 2022 04:48AM     link to this

Well well well....I guess the court shopping found a judge that will give them the outcome they want.


Biden admin, 1PM: Yes, we want masks on planes

Biden himself, 2PM: No, masks should be optional

Biden admin, 3PM: Yes, we want masks on planes


The DOJ is going to APPEAL the ruling from the District Court in Florida.

And are laying it directly in the hands of the CDC....lmao.....politically they have punted to the CDC.

It will not matter. If CDC says YES its as if Biden said so anyways.

"IF CDC Concludes it's necessary... then DOJ will appeal"

Soooo what say you God Fauci.....are you going to stick your political head out and say YES. The admin gave you the football.




Hate to say it.....I was right.

These people NEVER give up.

As they want to do to the middle class and those they disagree with.....they too need to be politically destroyed.

They REALLY hate this country.
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Apr 20 2022 03:38PM     link to this

The CDC has lost all credibility a long time ago.

And yes, The democraps hate this Country.
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Apr 20 2022 03:44PM     link to this

CDC has said we need masks, so I guess the DOJ will move forward with the appeal.

Time to boot all the Dems out of office and dial back our government.

Overreach on health, education, local zoning, energy, etc.
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Apr 20 2022 05:26PM     link to this

The issue at hand for the CDC is to have the ability to enact mandates during a public health emergency, not to continue with mask mandates two years afterwards. That is why they may fight the decision.


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Apr 20 2022 05:29PM     link to this

Masks or lock downs do not work nr.
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Apr 20 2022 05:39PM     link to this

Clearly they need to do a better job communicating an "off" ramp...
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Apr 20 2022 05:48PM     link to this

That's right no one is more qualified to tell you what yo do than an unelected bureaucrat or political appointee.
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Apr 20 2022 06:04PM     link to this

Lol nr, it's not the communication,
It's the lack of Science!
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Apr 20 2022 07:24PM     link to this

I think we all can agree by now that "Trust the science" really means...

"Just shut up and do as you're told"

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I brought my 12 gauge
Anybody wanna go Prog hunting?
Yeah yeah, I know they don't taste good
It's ok, we throw the meat away
And use the skin for lampshades
Not to mention, eliminate a major pest problem
Win win!

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Apr 20 2022 09:23PM     link to this

I think the CDC does need to do a better job at communicating uncertainty…but is that what people really want?
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Apr 20 2022 09:32PM     link to this

I think most people want the TRUTH.
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Apr 20 2022 11:32PM     link to this

Cue Jack Nicholson...

"You cant handle the truth!..."


Is there anyone better than Fauci at communicating uncertainty?
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Apr 20 2022 11:35PM     link to this

^Im sure there is.
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Apr 20 2022 11:37PM     link to this

You need to be honest with people and say these methods may not work. There is some uncertainty, but the outcomes may be worse if we don’t try them, etc…
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Apr 20 2022 11:40PM     link to this

You need to be honest about uncertainty where the virus came from, even if you are concerned people are going to create crazy bioweapon stories based on the uncertainty. It’s a chance you have to take in an open society.
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Apr 21 2022 02:04AM     link to this

You are still thinking covid came from a bat night rider?

Remember, the Government is here to help you...
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Apr 21 2022 08:41AM     link to this

Three biggest lies.

The check is in the mail
I won't cum in your mouth
I am from the Government and am here to help.
Waterdisport22
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Apr 21 2022 01:18PM     link to this

here is some uncertainty, but the outcomes may be worse if we don’t try them, etc…




How in the hell do YOU nr even know this. That is the most BULLSHIT line I have heard next to....well I got sick from covid and had the JABS....but it would have been WORSE if I did not get the jabs.


REALLY......


Thats coming from the SAME folks who say.....but the outcome "maybe" worse.....


FFS


And yet heard today that CDC is doubling down to have DOJ fight the judge in Florida over masking on planes.

And yet....the mask guidance was ONLY going to last 2 more weeks. And then be over.....well...that is until they EXTEND it once again.

And NOT based on ANY SCIENCE.


This is why we are so pissed off.

They have LIED....FAUCI....BIDEN....DOCTORS.....NIH....WHO.....GOV HAIRDO.....all of them.



WE can handle the truth. They do not want to tell the truth.

They want to give up liberty for security....and you end of with NEITHER.
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Apr 21 2022 02:25PM     link to this

As for all the lying is some good news in that CNN's ballyhooed launch of the new digital streaming service CNN+ has the plug pulled and they cease to operate.

Kaput only a few weeks into existence.

Next will be CNN itself followed by MSNBC


The Left's lying media is crumbling fast
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Apr 21 2022 06:10PM     link to this

I'll take, door #3, treat covid like a Cobra bite and be done with it. After all, it does have Ivermectin in it right.
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Apr 23 2022 01:54AM     link to this

TOtal lack of imbecile demonrats on the replies here
Maybe they are finally realizing they've lost and been wrong all along, and that their ignorance maybe destroys America. The ones who don't admit they were wrong need to be hunted down and ... convinced
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LIBTARDS never admit they were wrong.

Hey LIBTARDS, How is dementia Joe doing? He has had a lot of great speeches lately.
Biden 2024...
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Apr 23 2022 07:25AM     link to this




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Waterdisport22
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Apr 23 2022 10:10AM     link to this

You know its bad when even Bill Maher realizes this.....



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Apr 23 2022 10:13AM     link to this

When I see young people walking alone with a mask, I want to punch them.

From Bill Maher....



I saw the videos of people erupting in cheers that we dont have to wear a mask on the plane anymore. Now, theres also, you hear from the people will die crowd. And theyâre right, people will die. People will always die. I m against people dying, but theyre always going to die. And you actually cant stop it and masks, really, were finding out, are a particularly ineffective way of stopping it. I just wish it didnt have to be political. Because I see a lot of people now on the news saying, Im still going to wear it. It just becomes an amulet and a symbol of your party and it should just be about the science.



He later added that when he was out last week, W]hat was really sad ¦the only people wearing masks were like 20. Thats who is wearing the masks, the people least likely to die from it. I feel like they have been indoctrinated in a way that . When I saw the kids with the masks all I could think of is anxiety. And then, right on cue, Im reading about why we have [these] levels of anxiety among teenagers that [are] just off the charts. Now, this is what I read 44% of high school students said they felt sad or hopeless. Now, little perspective, all my year 17, I was sad and hopeless. Because I got dumped. And when you re a kid, you dont see anything coming and everything is the worst thing that could ever so, some of that is that. When youre a teenager, youre going to be sad and hopeless all the time. But it also said a 40% increase in such feelings in the last ten years. Also, I thought interesting, they were looking for the reasons why the kids the CDC is looking into this, 29% lost jobs the parents lost jobs in the pandemic. So, we havent tallied up all those kind[s] of negatives that went into it.
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Apr 23 2022 10:55AM     link to this

Bill Maher is a fool. A fool with strong vocabulary, but fool no less.

Because you treat him as a font of wisdom shows how much your ideas and intellect are to be trusted.
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Apr 23 2022 10:56AM     link to this

It’s all about personal risk now.

If you have pre-existing conditions, and test positivity is going up, consider a KN95 or similar mask in crowded, indoors, poorly ventilated public places. I know I will.

Or not.

Your choice.

I tend to get sick when I travel. It probably would have been a good idea for me to have used a KN95 during those times. COVID or no COVID.

Don’t let people intimidate you either way. If you want to wear a mask, great! If not, great!
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Apr 23 2022 11:23AM     link to this

Bill Maher WAS a fool as a liberal.

He does not make sense nor does ANY other liberal make sense.


What is shows that on THIS issue he has seen the light.

Still something YOU have not done.


@NR

Its always been about personal risk as with anything in life. However the LIBS would not allow any of us to exercise that right. Something called PERSONAL FREEDOMS.

The chart emphatically PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that masks and lockdowns did not work.

I said SCIENTIFICALLY that masks can not stop a virus. A virus can EASILY go through these masks. The materials//non woven mesh can NOT stop a virus. Even better or why would people who work with virus's wear them? That is science.

Now you see the charts which reinforces that.


Kn95 only works about 30% of the time. And once YOU touch it. Its infected. Thats right...and they can ONLY be worn ONCE. Yes it "may" provide some benefit. Not long term by ANY STRETCH.

You do you....but do NOT tell me that I have to wear one.....F YOU.

But NR...during this whole time....and you can look at all of my blogs. You have NEVER followed the science. You have never once said Fauci et all were WRONG and have lied to us.

Not once....you have finally come around to say....well if you want to wear a mask....etc. Before it was bashing people who don't do this simple thing.

Well this SIMPLE THING does NOT work. The chart proves it. PERIOD.


Sooo please take all of your virtue signaling somewhere else.

I would have respect for you if you said...ya know what...way too many soccer players are dying....huh maybe its the jab. Its the only thing different....etc etc...

But no. YOU kept your head in the sand and kept drinking the koolaid.

And now its coming out....lawsuits are starting.

YOU were part of the problem...and still are. And ANY person who still thinks getting the jab helps.

It KILLS people....more than it has helped. Why? This is a virus where 99.9% of people who reocover as we do during ANY cold n flu season.


This was about POWER....simple as that.

When you give up LIBERTY for SECURITY you have NEITHER---Ben Franklin.

And NR....you have NEITHER.
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Apr 23 2022 11:36AM     link to this

I agree with your statement in general, but I think that WANTING to wear a mask (as opposed to being mandated to wear one) is a personal choice. I hate wearing one and go without it every chance I get, but what I don't agree with is ridiculing someone who has made the PERSONAL CHOICE to wear one when it is not mandated. A free society is based on people making personal choices as long as they don't break the law. When someone goes out of their way to ridicule or attack another person just because they don't have a similar belief system, whether it be religious, scientific, or anything else that is legally moral, then that is wrong - plain and simple - full stop! My term for someone like this is "Moral Terrorist!"

Since the introduction of the internet, which gave a pulpit and a voice to anyone who has a computer or a smartphone, we have seen an amazing amount of supposed EXPERTS on various subjects that have never even studied it. When it comes to a question of SCIENCE, I have a tendency to believe the findings of SCIENTIST, not someone who just barely passed biology in high school. It is just too hard to separate fact from fiction when we are being constantly bombarded with counter beliefs and made up facts. But in the end, whatever source a person chooses to use to fact-check the statements (and subsequently believe in that position) is a PERSONAL CHOICE - and no one has the moral right to ridicule or degrade them for it. And if you want to waive the first Amendment flag at me for that last statement then look carefully at it again. Freedom of speech is a LEGAL right, not a MORAL right! There is such a thing as freedom of speech gone too far!

I don't like wearing a mask, but when I saw the reporting of adults standing outside a high school and shouting insulting and degrading remarks towards students wearing mask I wanted to go out there and slap the dog shit out of each and every one of those (supposed) adults. So let's cut the crap and get down to the only thing that really matters - If you choose to not wear a mask during a pandemic then that is your personal choice, and you have the right to live or die as a consequence of your actions or inactions; just don't try to take others with you to the grave! That is a "Heaven's Gate" mentality!
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Apr 23 2022 11:44AM     link to this

I love my masks! makes my dick hard.
Marrisa_G
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Apr 23 2022 12:02PM     link to this

But I guess what really confuses me is why we even have to talk about things like this on HX. It's kind of like a veterinarian going to church and asking for a few minutes on the pulpit to talk to the congregation, then launching into a power point presentation on why everyone should have pet insurance for their pets! Totally inappropriate for the audience at hand!

And I realize that I bought into the bullshit of even weighing in on the subject in my previous post when I should have just scrolled past, but I am human, and when someone strikes a nerve - I react!
Himes_Soul
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Apr 23 2022 12:07PM     link to this

^ Your voice of reason makes my dick hard.

I guess what really confuses me is why we even have reason on HX? Oh! To make my dick hard!
Angler1
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Apr 23 2022 01:44PM     link to this

Night rider is the biggest pusher of the vaccine propaganda on this site.

I just hope he took his 4th shot.
jackrabbit33
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Apr 23 2022 03:26PM     link to this

"Follow the science" has always meant "shut up and do as we say""...

Never again
jackrabbit33
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Apr 23 2022 03:29PM     link to this

And even now the Libs are trying to quote "science" to override the recent smackdown of the federal travel mask mandates.


Go ahead... fight it Libs. Fight it to the death.

Your going to alienate even more people before midterms.
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