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Look GBD, you are keep missing my points, and I will not repeat it anymore.
My biggest issue with Supreme Court is that if they overturn Roe v Wade, many states will rip women's rights to choose for good, mostly because in red states far-right religious group is interfering with US politics and they try to force Minority Rules on women's body. And especially State like Texas is adopting vigilantism to haunt pregnant women. Unless you are a monster, you will not adopt such a barbaric way of criminalizing abortion.
However, if Democrats will succeed in codifying the right, all women can keep it in order to choose by her own decision. That was my point. I am not advocating those women should have abortion any time they like. Education is the only way to prevent unnecessary pregnancy from occurring.
Just like you wear seatbelts while driving your vehicle, you have to use your caution in the first place.
But in case the accident happens, women need to have a choice at the same time.
The biggest moral issue here is that red states try to force no exception rules to their policies, and that is VERY cruel and WRONG, especially when a woman is raped and becomes pregnant. NO ONE wish to carry rapist's baby, and no one wants the rapist father to haunt her home to see his kid.
And I can assure you should 11-year-old daughter of any GOP senator is raped, and becomes pregnant, NO SENATOR will force their daughter to carry her baby. So it is morally CORRUPT and HYPOCRITICAL to deprive women's rights to choose.
As I said above, I will not repeat my points. So put this into your thick skull of yours
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In a nutshell, the Roe vs Wade decision ruled that state laws that banned 1st trimester abortions were unconstitutional and it was based on the mother's right to privacy being extended to the unborn during the 1st trimester. States can have laws regarding 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions regardless if Roe is overturned.
The draft overturning of Roe takes aim at the "right to privacy" being granted in the constitution- 14th amendment interpretation -, but there are precedent most notably Griswold v. Connecticut regarding a law against the use of contraceptives was overturned based on constitutionality of the right to privacy. The actual term is not in the constitution, but judicial precedent following text in the 14th amendment, "prohibits the states from depriving any person of “life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”, to include/mean the right to privacy. Liberty being the key word for those with this interpretation.
Liberty meaning: the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.
So, overturning Roe does two things:
1) States can make abortions in the first trimester illegal regardless of how the woman became pregnant or if she can survive the pregnancy.
2) Opens up the interpretation of "right to privacy" being a constitutional right (i.e. liberty) thus making access to birth control pills and emergency contraception as well as marriage equality and gay rights all enshrined in law based on right to privacy interpretation as a constitutional right.
So, the overturning of Roe is bad for women and anyone that likes to live in a country that grants liberty to its people. Of course, the interpretation of "right to privacy" will be targeted to the most vulnerable and those that don't fit the Judaeo Christian blah blah blah.
Sounds fun.
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With the very strict HIPAA laws I think it might be possible for a woman to get an abortion in any state and not have her records available to scrutinize. If a woman is sick or in the hospital, for any reason, they won't even share her information with her husband unless she specifically allows it!
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^^^
If an abortion procedure is illegal, HIPAA will not be able to be used to hide the evidence of the procedure from the state. They will subpoena the doctor/facility to give the medical records to them.
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A simple issue having nothing to do with pregnancy.... some people believe there is a process to make law and others think that laws can be interpreted differently as long as someone they agree with is doing to interpreting.
FUCK THAT!!
You want national abortion laws elect the right people...
You want legalized marijuana elect the right people......
You want to restrict the 2nd amendment elect the right people..
It's very simple yet too hard for you to comprehend. Not everyone agrees with you but some like me will compromise .... but no you don't want that.
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"With the very strict HIPAA laws I think it might be possible for a woman to get an abortion in any state and not have her records available to scrutinize. If a woman is sick or in the hospital, for any reason, they won't even share her information with her husband unless she specifically allows it! "
The state governments can subpoena the cell phone/ app records, which will show the locations where the woman would have traveled, who she called, emailed or texted.
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^ as I said in a different post .... Those who talk about this phantom right to privacy have no fuckibg problem with the government keeping this information on ready standby for when they want to accuse you of a crime.
Make a privacy law ... the rest will follow.
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Rawdawger, you're just an emotional basketcase, practically incoherent
Please do not post any more "explanations".
You literally barf up, then expect us to marvel at your intestinal wizardry.
PSQ is certainly more eloquent but runs off the rails at the end too.
"Of course, the interpretation of "right to privacy" will be targeted to the most vulnerable and those that don't fit the Judaeo Christian blah blah blah."
Seriously? Nobody believes that tripe other than delusionary Progs.
Guys, I'm pro abortion/pro choice.........up to a point, as are the majority of Americans.
We need to elect political representatives that will pass sane laws that fix this situation.
There are half the number of abortions now as there were 40 years ago
With declining population growth, there will be even fewer in the future
But we owe it to all women to move this needle
Your acceptance of the far left agenda of abortion on demand til the head pokes out does the pro-choice movement a great disservice. Get your head out of your ass and be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
Idiots like Rawdawger need to be put on a very short leash. He literally admits to not knowing the facts or the issues, yet is more than willing to offer an opinion.
That is just plain stupid, full.stop.end of story
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For the record, please note that Rawdawger is still incapable of answering the simple question put before him. Yet, writes volumes of bullshit as he skirts the issue.....and circles the drain.
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The answer to your question goebbels is that it is none of your fucking business what women do with their bodies. Period. The very fact that men like you invest so much energy into wanting to have a say on what women who are strangers to you make medical decisions about which in no way effect you says everything about what you think of women. That you are entitled by virtue of being a man to have a say in their decisions about their own lives.
This argument would not even exist if men got pregnant. It would be considered self evident that we can do whatever we want about it. That is why it was legal for fathers to kill their children for thousands of years. Even in the Bible, for you Christian faggots out there.
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^have you tried contemplating your low value dick for amusement mr. no network after more than a year?
Let me guess. Fucking someone involves exposing your shriveled sex organ but blogging only exposes your shriveled brain, which is less of a social stigma. In fact, it can get you elected President.
Actually now that I think about it both can.
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that's funny...a FEMALE medical procedure
like taking a WART off your ass or something
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My opinion on how many weeks is allowed really doesn't count, but I just read one article and I quoted the passage below;
"In 39 of the 42 European nations that permit elective abortions, the basic limit is at 15 weeks of pregnancy or earlier. In 32 of the 39, the limit is at 12 weeks or earlier. Worldwide, fewer than a dozen countries allow abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy on any grounds."
So why not make it between 12 weeks and 15 weeks...
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"(usually low value) people with an inability to mind their own business."
Sounds like a description of the obnoxious troll GBD, the idiot adds nothing of value or humor to a conversation.
The truth:
The people who say they want to ban abortions because they care about life are full of shit, these people are hypocritical. The religious right want to ban abortions because they want to impose their religious beliefs onto society, it's a way for them to shame people. They pretend to be so concerned about a blob of potential, that hasn't even taken a breathe, but don't care about the woman who is alive and whose life is actually going to be affected.
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Let’s also not forget the women who will be most affected: minority women who already have families.
Of the women who have been interviewed and lent their voice to keep abortion, a major group of women are already parents, in low income communities. They have little health care choices, if any, poor access to women’s health care services and contraception. As tough as their lives have been, an unwanted pregnancy just adds a whole other dimension of suffering to themselves and their families, and some arrogant ass is going to dictate to them what they should do with their lives.
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Abortion should be legal at any stage.
There's no concern from pro lifers for people who are actually alive and suffering. Have you ever heard a pro lifer being concerned about people who die in war? Pro life is a phony religious act Republicans put on to get votes. It's a bunch of bullshit.
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If you can't take care of your own ass, you shouldn't be having babies and burdening their lives.
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that was always the most reasonable time frame...see what the rest of the developed world was doing
if it's too short? they might not know they're pregnant yet.
too long? it gets hard to think about...makes it harder on the lady also
they probably should go back and look at all the fetus development research...when they feel pain or have to get pain killers for procedures...pretty sure it's always the same when trying to save the pregnancy or a mother's procedure.
middle east? mostly nada, but for health reasons
Is abortion legal in Afghanistan?
Chapter 4 of the Afghanistan Penal Code outlines the consequences for performing abortions. It states that abortions are illegal unless the life of the mother is at risk or the baby's life is endangered, interpreted as the baby having a severe disability or low quality of life.
Abortions are legal in Japan, with about 160,000 reported in the year up to March 2019, including 13,588 involving women under the age of 20, according to the health ministry. Abortion pills are illegal, however.Sep 27, 2021
japan should probably tighten this up a bit with their population issues
this should be the one to WATCH...they have some real population issues...see how they handled it in the past, when they thought they had too many people
Abortion in China is accessible for health reasons. While there is no nationwide ban on all abortions, China's State Council as well as the non-governmental organization responsible for family planning have issued policy guidance and new rules with the aim of reducing abortions that are not medically necessary.
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"Your acceptance of the far left agenda of abortion on demand til the head pokes out does thepro-choice movement a great disservice"
The fundamental issue here is that despite GBD's approval on abortion (he approves it just like every Liburturudian like him), he still thinks that this is the left issue. Women's abortion choice is not right or left problem, every woman should be allowed to have it.
ONLY far-right activist like GBD thinks it is a political issue, because their religious belief goes against it (NOTE: again, GBD is a "lii"-bur-TURD-dian, so practically whatever his religious belief is -his only belief is his asshole by the way-, it does not interfere with women having abortion).
This leak from partisan hacked judges at Supremet Court proves that banning abortion is their crusader issue, though not all of Christians think it is illegal. Evangelicals are basically a political organization, and their interpretation of Bible is used for their political beliefs, not at all religious. The constitution states religion and politics should not interfere. This is violation of US constitution.
Since the decline of white population and of Christians, Republicans needed their support in order to gain more votes, but the problem is that Evangelicalism is the root for racism and segregation. Evangelicals needed Republican support in order to gain their political agenda.
MAGA is a phenomenon we witnessed during Trump administration and it is the most disgusting populism movement we have ever witnessed, and it still continues to this day. Thanks to GOP and Evangelicals for destruction of our Democracy and women's rights to choose. Their agenda is to block any meaningful agenda that Democrats have, and that is why we need to abolish filibuster at this point.
Just look at GBD, he is nothing but a political maggot that make fun of everybody and of himself, and does not present any positive agenda, which really reflects what the current GOP is. Just observe carefully each MAGA politician senator like Ron Johnson, or Rand Paul, they are as sinical as GBD to the core
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This "pro-life" position has always been about who you can fuck. The White males who think they know better than the rest of us want to prevent their women from fucking outside of their "group". Kinda like some women here cannot admit to seeing black men. Taking reproductive rights away from women is controlling who and when a woman can fuck. Giving the power to men.
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I quote here a passage from "Inoperative Community", written by French Philosopher, Jean Luc Nancy, and this summarizes the extremely narrow nationalism/populism movement by GOP/MAGA/Evangelicalism:
"Fascism is the grotesque or abject resurgence of an obsession with communion; it crystallizes the motif of its supposed loss and the nostalgia for its images of fusion. In this respect, it was the convulsion of Christianity, and it ended fascinating modern Christianity in tis entirely. No political-moral critique of this fascination holds good if the critic is not at the same time capable of deconstructing the system of communion"
That explains clearly that far-right movement is always closely related to Christianity to claim their alleged past glory, or overturn the present (in their minds, it is a negative value), and project it onto a future glory, and they rely solely on Book of Apocalypse to justify it.
That is why we have to be very careful when this happens, because it leads to Nazism, ethnic cleansing, and ugly revolution with the power to overturn the current regime they despise.
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"So why not make it between 12 weeks and 15 weeks..."
Well at least he answered the question and is now MORE conservative than the Mississippi law in front of SCOTUS which is 20 weeks.
At least he's not Corndog "Abortion should be legal at any stage."
So, you're OK with a woman deciding to abort a baby right up to the day of birth?
You would be in the tiny minority of Americans who believe that idiocy.
 that I'm both a pro-choicer AND a Maga Christian Conservatardo
This is why you guys are losing the debate and deserve to do so ).gif)
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Jeez Raw doggie...
"That is why we have to be very careful when this happens, because it leads to Nazism, ethnic cleansing, and ugly revolution with the power to overturn the current regime they despise."
This exactly how the Left operates with cancel culture, squelching alternative speech, forming a ministry of truth.
Your a fucking idiot if you think MAGA or the GOP is the problems with America right now.
Over 70% feel the country is on the wrong path. We have an administration purposely fucking shit up everywhere and you Leftist morons are laser focused on Roe v Wade.
And then you have stupidity to claim the nationalist/populist GOP is tearing this country apart.
Total morons..
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Libtards will never figure it out.
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Both anti-free speech left and authoritarian right are problems in US today. It’s like, pick your poison.
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Hey nr, please explain how the repubs are authoritarian.
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Trying to circumvent the results of a democratic election is undemocratic.
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That made no sense nr.
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Lock downs, forcing people to close their businesses, force people to take an experimental shot.
Are acts of an authoritarian. Wait, the democraps did that...
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Forming a Ministry of Truth?... that's Nazism/Fascism right there.
Controlling speech through Big Tech?...
Trying to Federalize Elections and enforce mandatory mailin balloting with build back broke...
That's a blatant attempt at rigged elections until forever.
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I support abortion until the kids are able to move out of the house and can support themselves.
"The White males who think they know better than the rest of us want to prevent their women from fucking outside of their "group""
Nobody can control who a woman can be with in a free society. But what do you think happened in the past when people conquered lands? They didn't share their women with the men they defeated. And if you go far enough down the line of succession, we all probably came from rape.
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Damn it jackrabbit33! Now nr will go into hiding...
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@jackrabbit33 is a hyperpartisan moron. Stay on topic idiot.
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He is on topic slowdog...
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Hey slowdog...
I'm going to go way out on a limb and introduce the following conspiracy theory for you to ponder...
The sudden inward focus on Row v Wade by the Left and the media through a "Judicial leak" is a organized and premeditated distraction from the well known abysmal failures of the Biden administration.
I'm not saying the alledged positions by Alito are real or manufactured but the actual leak of information and resulting intimidation at his home are gravely illegal.
We've seen this movie before.... The left will never miss a beat to manufacture bullshit and pump it through media sources.
Steelers dossier?... Russia Collusion... drawn out Mueller trial with no findings... finding out later it's all COMPLETE BULLSHIT...
just another day in the world of Libtardia
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@ GBD, First of all, I did not call you a MAGA Christian, I already referred you as a Libertarian and you already disclosed it to us.
I believe what really happened during Trump years is that this MAGA populism movement derived from a combination of right wing Evangelicalism+ GOP's far right Libertarianism. What is a common denominator between them, that is what I just described above. Total destruction of the current culture (non whites and immigrants) and replace it with their own (white and Christianity). Illiberal Democracy is an extension of libertarianism and it definitely damaged our democratic system in this country.
However, their first populism movement was initiated by Pat Buchanan, and their bible is called "The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization" (Yes, this fouled mouth asshole started it, and all he had to do is to play his race card, just like Trump did).
Since many people referred to the speech rights, though this has nothing to do with abortion, but I have to say this;
1. Trump is the one who tried to destroy free speech by calling MSM a fake news (just as Hitler did) and replaced it with his own social media account as his propaganda machine
2. MSM and social media are totally different creatures. MSM has been established for a long time and it has its own rules, but Trump needed to discard it, so that MAGA could believe his oracles coming from his social media accounts (every dictator's tactic)
3. On the other hand, Social Media has been established in recent years, and we have to recognize that this has nothing to do with traditional journalism, and it does not have any regulations whatsoever. Tech grues are correct in their vision of widening up our communication range, but it had caveats. Those tech gurus are just technicians, and they lacked knowledge of the human nature. They just thought human nature is positive, and they ignored the dark side to it.
That is the cause of rampant disinformation, threats to minority groups, especially for women. And I assume older generations are prone to believe what they read on the web, not knowing if they are nothing but propaganda and lies. So in a way they are also victims. If you call this free speech, you are totally wrong. This needs to be regulated. Dictator in each authoritarian nation is very familiar with these technics and as you know, Putin influenced our election results, and Russian colluded Trump welcomed it. EU already came up with Digital Services Act and each Social media company has to follow is regulation, othewise they will be fined. I hope that the same thing will happen in the US soon.
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@GoBallsDeep
If you believe the ruling of the interpretation of "right to privacy" as being not inclusive to the "right to liberty" in the 14th Amendment - the main thrust of the leaked draft opinion - will be weaponized as a one off to abolish Roe v Wade OR will only be used against the powerful and not the the marginalized, you are seriously delusional. Just by using the new precedent of the reversal would let states outlaw birth control, marriage rights, etc. This isn't rocket science, dude.
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Fucking pseudointellectual bullshit running amuck in this thread.
Not a God damned person commenting about pro choice really faces up to the fact that at 4 months a baby is able to live. Not without heroic measures in most cases and I'm not making a statement of support that 4 months should be some sort of cut off point ... but the pro abortion crowd doesn't seem to give a fuck about life at any point. Just like most of the stupid comments I have read from them on any number of topics including big city murder rates and mostly peaceful protests. They are a death cult and part of a growing movements desire to race to the bottom.
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"I support abortion until the kids are able to move out of the house and can support themselves."
Other than the obvious TOS, I'm good with that.
Pesky motherfucking ankle-biters aren't worth much.
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4 months is the 2nd trimester and Roe does not hinder states from making laws about the 2nd or 3rd trimester. Specifically, the decision said that a woman's right to privacy extended to the fetus/unborn child she was carrying during the 1st trimester and thus protected by 14th amendment and states can't make laws outlawing abortions during the 1st trimester. No rocket science.
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"+ GOP's far right Libertarianism"
Rawdawger, your brain ain't right.
Have you considered an MRI or CT scan?
Is there a history of mental illness or drug abuse in your family?
Your posts are incoherent delusional word salad with no relationship to reality.
Any chance you'd consider donating your brain to science?
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"This isn't rocket science, dude."
Didn't c/p your whole thing but either you consider Alito a liar or you missed the part where he specifically said that this possible ruling would NOT be applicable to each of those issues you've said WILL be included. That's the part that's not rocket science............dood.
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"4 months is the 2nd trimester and Roe does not hinder states from making laws about the 2nd or 3rd trimester."
"The Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the three trimesters of pregnancy: during the first trimester, governments could not prohibit abortions at all; during the second trimester, governments could require reasonable health regulations; during the third trimester, abortions could be prohibited entirely so long as the laws contained exceptions for cases when they were necessary to save the life or health of the mother."
This guidance made very clear what states could and could not do in the 2nd/3rd Trimesters.
You sound more coherent than Rawdawger but googling shit really is not rocket science.
Best plan would be to research, then post......not the reverse.
All those chickenshits in Congress have to do is pass a law allowing abortion in the first trimester, then get the muppet to sign it.
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If, in fact, the government is constrained by the 14th re privacy, then why did SCOTUS guidance remove that right in the 2nd/3rdth trimesters? Seems to be awfully nosy about health guidance this and no abortion that.
If our right to privacy as bestowed by the 14th is so sacrosanct, then:
Why is the NSA monitoring our various forms of communication?
How can Congress legislate Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that's being used to watch us?
Why don't I have total control over who's tracking my internet browsing?
Why can law enforcement enter my home/car and take my shit under the pretense of "we believe a crime was committed" before I'm convicted?
How the fuck do I stop Rawdawger from following me around?
There's a hundred examples of our 14th amendment RtoP that's being violated every day.
Guess what, RtoP doesn't actually exist in the Constitution or it's Amendments but is conferred when a court finds it convenient, then removed when not so convenient.
Rule of Law, my ass
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