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Locked. No further comments permitted.The truth is that China is more Libertarian than USA
Jul 6 2022 02:48PM more by witler5
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China is more Libertarian than USA in several ways. Truth is USA is significantly more far left in many aspects.

1. China has more free trade agreements with other countries. They have 17, while USA has 14.

2. China doesn't have property taxes for the most part. For anyone that owns a home in Cali, we all know those high housing costs result in higher property tax as well...

3. They provide less social welfare benefits.

4. Their citizens, especially poorer ones, pay less taxes than USA. In recent years, there have been more tax exemptions as well!
      
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Jul 6 2022 03:10PM     link to this

Man, fuck China!
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Jul 6 2022 03:10PM     link to this

So move there and enjoy your freedom.
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Jul 6 2022 03:19PM     link to this

Go ask the Uyghur Muslims if they consider the Chinese as more Libertarian than the USA.


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Jul 6 2022 03:20PM     link to this

If you love free market and anti-Socialism, you should move to China asap. If you're a Communist Socialist, you should stay in the USA
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Jul 6 2022 03:22PM     link to this

The Uyghurs support China's Libertarianism, it brought a significant amount of them out of poverty
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Jul 6 2022 03:30PM     link to this

Compared to all the other Central Asian countries (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan). Xinjiang has the highest GDP, for the region.
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Jul 6 2022 06:00PM     link to this

I can't wait until the Chinese communist take over the world.
At least I look like them. LMAO
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Jul 6 2022 06:11PM     link to this

BTW, I sure the CCP will get rid of HX. đź‘Ť
No difference of opinion allowed.
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Jul 6 2022 06:17PM     link to this

Uh huh....

Sure...

You keep believing that..

You can believe whatever you want to.


I think Santa Clause is real.

1. He's recognized in dozens and dozes of countries

2. He doesen't pay taxes.

3. He promotes social welfare

4. He's got several TV shows about him.

5. I've personally seen him at the mall.... and ringing the salvation army bell.
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Jul 6 2022 06:18PM     link to this

So I'm curious, is the OP the fentanyl supplier for North America?
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Jul 6 2022 06:56PM     link to this

I bet they don't have a homeless problem either.

Just how many body parts per million do they allow in there food.

See I told ya Soylant Green is real. Charles said so in 1973.

And you thought it was only a movie set in 2022.
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Jul 6 2022 06:58PM     link to this

OP knows NOTHING about china.

1) True no property taxes. Why? Cause the only one ALLOWED to own property is the ccp.
2) Have a business in china? Great, the ccp takes 80% of your profits.

The list goes on but trying to educate you would be a complete waste of time.

My advice wiley - renounce your U.S citizenship immediately and move to china.
Oh, and please take all the woke idiots with you.

Atticus Finch
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Jul 6 2022 07:58PM     link to this

There are valid, blunt criticisms of the US in the linked video.

China is horrible on so many levels. They are stealing our technology, has horrible human rights violations, etc.





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Irish Politician Mick Wallace on the United States
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Jul 6 2022 08:14PM     link to this

do we care what this guy thinks? he is parroting all the things AOC talks about





from the comments below the clip-

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The irony is if you actually google him and read him for five minutes he is generally everything that reddit hates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Wallace

After Russia formally recognized the Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics, Wallace called for the abolition of NATO; "The people of Europe must campaign for the abolition of NATO, it has nothing good to offer anyone that prefers peace to war".

In July 2021, Wallace claimed reports of one million Chinese citizens of the Uighur ethnicity being detained in concentration camps were "grossly exaggerated". He was critical of the anti-Chinese rhetoric that he said was taking place in the European Parliament and in some Irish media. Wallace made the comments in an interview with Irish radio station Newstalk. Previously he had said China "takes better care of its people" than the European Union in an interview with Chinese state-run newspaper Global Times,[53] and stated that the Chinese Communist Party "deserved a lot of credits" for "helping so many hundreds of millions in China to move out of poverty."[54]

In October 2021, Wallace released a video on social media in which he dismissed the idea of Uighur mass detention camps, stating that there was "never any solid evidence" of their existence. In the same video, Wallace said that Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China and "is recognized as such by the United Nations".[55] Wallace's video was subsequently broadcast on Chinese state media, prompting the government of Taiwan to offer an official rebuke of his claims.[55]

There's a bunch more.

Mostly he seems a fan of countries like Russia and China and not a fan of the EU or US

Edit: this reminds me of a few months ago when during the violence in Israel/Palestine when there was some 50K thread of some white dude going off on Israel and all the comments were saying how great he was and then it came out the guy was a prominent neo-nazi/white supremacist and then a bunch of comments were saying "yeah but he's still making good points"
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Jul 6 2022 09:04PM     link to this

@ISOS

So you're saying there is nothing that Mick Wallace pointed out about the U.S. that is valid?




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Jul 6 2022 09:20PM     link to this

there might be something, but why should WE care what that ugly fucker thinks?

i have seen you post about anyone being pro russia on this war...this dude is seemingly pro russia.

little tiny things like that? i wouldn't waste my time ever ever listening to him again


i feel i lost 10min of my what i have left


same with AOC or bernie? they might have something I like, but pretty much tune them out.


what did you happen to like on his speech?

america spending 800b on defense

american can't AFFORD to pay off the 1.7 trillion dollar student loan debt?

can't afford the universal healthcare other countries have?


what else was there?




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Jul 6 2022 10:48PM     link to this

If he’s pro Russia and China, he should largely be ignored, but his speech still has some validity.

In a nutshell, we have fucked up priorities in this country.


Of course military spending is important to protect our interests and to influence all other countries by offering them support. However, we can reduce the spending to $500 billion and still achieve all that while also supporting social services and programs that improve American lives.

There should be no hungry kids in this country.

How do you get rid of abortions or make them harder to come by in half the states, yet we have no paid maternity leave and essentially no social services for newborns? We are the only developed country without paid maternity leave.

There should be universal healthcare, but we are beholden to health insurance and pharmaceutical companies that control our politicians.

Student debt is a problem because they can’t afford to have families, and thus are having fewer kids which is a problem.

The prison system, again controlled by corporations, is another horrible problem that has huge social implications.


As you know, most of the things I listed above does not affect me at all, but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t give a shit about other Americans who are struggling.





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Jul 6 2022 11:34PM     link to this

his speech has ZERO validity to me...is the dude from america?


sure we can reduce military spending down to 500b. it was recently ramped up a bit to get the people in service a raise...get equipment in working order, maybe get some actual ammo

so where do they cut this again...with all that is going on with china/russia/iran?

the healthcare shit will emerge at some point...i think a good starting point is taking making medicare mandatory at age 55. which could solve a lot of problems. employers would still need to pay the GOING RATE of the medicare premiums until workers reached 65. they can pay for additional coverages if they want. this will get money into the system with a healthier BASE...also covering more people with pre-existing conditions. they can see how that works...and tinker with moving the age to 52 and 50.


i had a relative with no money...have cancer and later with heart attack. the dude was taken care of...what he GOT, was probably on par with those countries giving universal care

in general, america takes care of people medically...could it be better?

student debt is a problem. paying it off is TOO easy of a solution with lots of issues. maybe they can work out a plan with some of the schools with the big endowments that charged all that money. of course, right now they are using the potential of student loans getting paid off as a form of buying election votes. it would definitely create a bigger divide in the country


you can list all kinds of things like people are starving...NOBODY on this site wants people starving, killed (needlessly that is).

just take all the politics out of it and say exactly what you would want to see on a FEW of these issues.

leave the politics out of the issues...once you talk about them, comment...the constructive conversation is over.


what would you be thinking of on the prison issue as an example...it might be the easiest one to deal with.


off to bed btw got some BP on the headset calling my name and wanna see how these other shorted stocks are going to react to the GME stock split






















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Jul 6 2022 11:41PM     link to this

The equivalent of Mike Wallace in the USA is Tulsi, except she went almost full blown Republican
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Jul 6 2022 11:42PM     link to this

in my opinion. Or probably more like Mike Gravel, but he just recently died from old age
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Jul 6 2022 11:48PM     link to this

lol it is not 80%, they are pretty generous to small businesses. It's the larger ones like Tencent, Alibaba, etc that face higher government pressure
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Jul 6 2022 11:58PM     link to this

Also one thing we really need is a VAT implementation. I am indifferent on UBI, but Andrew Yang's point on how USA needs a federal VAT implementation is very important. A lot of Europe and Asia have already implemented this. This along with a military budget cut, can fund a lot more other necessities.
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Jul 7 2022 12:18AM     link to this

Been to China. Doing business with Chinese companies.
Have offices in China and pro-China countries.
Work with Chinese for over 17 years.

The Chinese are a lot of things, but libertarian they are not.
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Jul 7 2022 12:25AM     link to this

They do have a homeless problem, and some parts of China the quality of life is as bad as skid row, without the drugs and crazies, but it’s “normal” there, and with out the social stigma Westerners give extremely “poor” people.

Let me clarify:
The Chinese abhor the uneducated and the unwilling to work. Yes, a great many Chinese work under shit conditions for what we would consider “shit pay” here, but it helps them live there and the country does try to take care of them, but many Chinese have long memories and can recall when their elders were shit poor, or when someone formerly poor got a step up as someone else fell from power.
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Jul 7 2022 09:26AM     link to this

china owns the rights to seymourbuts lmao
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Jul 7 2022 09:41AM     link to this

i guess we're just waiting on our resident C-CSr to chime in here

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Jul 7 2022 10:41AM     link to this

OG post is perhaps the most UNEDUCATED I've read on here. China being libertarian? You sir are a moron.
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Jul 7 2022 11:02AM     link to this

pay less taxes than in the USA? maybe don't even pay taxes in america and they get refunds on top of it all

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Jul 7 2022 01:55PM     link to this

You have to be brain dead to think that China is a bastion of freedom.

Mention Tiananmen square and watch how fast they kick your head in.

There are many, many, other things that they wont hesitate to kick your head in over. Go over there and find out!

BTW, socialized programs that help out the less fortunate are not a bad thing.

The richest country in the history of the world should be able to spread it around to its citizens. This is not a bad thing despite what you think.


Dont be too mad tho, in the USA, Housing is not considered a right and neither is health care. So we got that going for us.


:::eyeroll thingy:::

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Jul 7 2022 04:15PM     link to this

Who knew that Archie Bunker is on HX.
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Jul 7 2022 04:21PM     link to this

@ gordonschumway


It’s fine to criticize the Chinese government and communism, but attacking all Chinese people just makes you appear to be a disgusting, racist, peace-of-shit of a human being.

Each person should be judged based on their individual actions. Sweeping generalizations simply make you look like a closed minded idiot.




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Jul 7 2022 04:53PM     link to this

Each person should be judged based on their individual actions. Sweeping generalizations simply make you look like a closed minded idiot.

Wait, so all white people aren't the devil? Does AOC know?
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Jul 7 2022 04:54PM     link to this

And I love the Chicoms. An hour after I eat at Panda Express I'm ready to go back and order another round of kung pao beef and Mandarin Chicken.
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Jul 7 2022 05:11PM     link to this

Based on the racist posts I just read in this blog…

While I believe people should be able to post anything they want in RA, perhaps they shouldn’t be allowed to do so from a shill account.

People would be more responsible posting when others know who they are (by their handle, not real identity).
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Jul 7 2022 05:25PM     link to this

You can be against our current trade situation with China and not sound like a racist POS from Two Egg Florabama. But I guess some people nature is to be who they are. I argue that their self reveal has value to everyone and we can discern whether or not to converse with them.

Keep it up Gordon... we all know who ya are!
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Jul 7 2022 05:40PM     link to this

hey now, chinas been to mars and developed a newer nuclear power, and space station and surpassing the usa in diff technologies
invent things other than just food
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Jul 7 2022 05:42PM     link to this

not everyone should be white or so american
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Why would anyone want to live in a repressive country like China?
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Jul 7 2022 07:26PM     link to this

@ gordonschumway

"It’s fine to criticize the Chinese government and communism, but attacking all Chinese people just makes you appear to be a disgusting, racist, peace-of-shit of a human being."

"Each person should be judged based on their individual actions. Sweeping generalizations simply make you look like a closed minded idiot."

Perfect reply to GCW thank you.

Gordonschumway c'mon. The word "Chink(s)" is highly offensive to the Asian community. The fact you couldn't express yer racist opinions about Asian people in less offensive terms deeply concerns me. I wonder about your mental state, or possibly you are just fucking with us here and don't really believe what yer saying in this blog.

This blog should stay so when Asian agents do a "Blogs about" search for GCW, they can see what he really thinks about us.


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Jul 7 2022 07:39PM     link to this

I think ordinary Chinese living in China do function like non-religious conservatives. Its somewhat similar to libertarians except that most Chinese are non-political. They are just pragmatic people. That why they love Donald Trump. They absolutely love Donald Trump, other than the fact he thinks China is the enemy instead of a longterm trade partner.

And I think Chinese are the most racists ppl on earth. They can tolerate ppl but none of them feel anyone else is superior than them. They considered the past century as simply a bleep on the radar where they temporarily lost their place on earth. "Shit happens" as ppl say in comparison to their 5000 years of history and culture.

Its only a matter of time they are back on top and everyone else kowtow to them again. That's the general mentality of the Middle Kingdom. And they are doing it instead of talking or debating about it in Congress.

How stupid is America and American Politicians you ask? All American politicians criticize how China loan money out to third world nations and doing this One Belt One Road thing. Look what US Congress and Biden just got, the BBB plan, what do you think that is? And the 600 billion NATO expansion and the 1Trillion new Marshall Plan in Europe. What do you think those are? The white version of the one belt one road plan that China created over 20 years ago. They didn't just talk, they built an international fund and bank to fund this with over a trillion dollars as backing. Now the whole world use China to build. That used to the USA when Roosevelt was president. No more.

Its rather pathetic our generation is doing compared to the Chinese. I don't think we are in any position to look down or even criticize anyone because we made our own beds. With Trump and now Biden. No one put a gun over our heads to vote for these two idiots along with their goons. But hey, its a free country right, you are FREE to act as an idiot, a rioter, a murderer, a mass murderer, a fetus killer, a rape victim aggregator, a religious zealot, an atheist, a LGBTQ lover or hater or you just don't give a fuck.

What does all that give you? A chaotic and disenfranchised nation that is on a great divergence.

So does it matter what China and the Chinese are? They aren't the ones making us doing what we are doing. WE are the ones fucking it up.

And pre-covid, I do regularly travel and live in various cities in China for various businesses and China is nothing like what western media tells and force feed you. It is extremely diverse in China, almost like living in different countries in different parts of China.

Chinese in China actually knows a whole lot about the rest of the world than what USA ordinary citizens know or think what others know. Its frankly embarrassing if I have to compare the two. We are just so far behind than the Chinese. And mostly the Chinese gov't leave you alone if you aren't a separatist, a religious zealot, or a political activists. Those are for the peeps who got more on their hands than needing to feed mouths on the table. And Chinese are very pragmatic. They don't waste time on wokeness or whether meritocracy is good for children or can you say gay.

So who's more free? Who cares. I care about what's better for whom at what stage of development in their respective nation? I say we are so woked and fucked that in education, child development, healthcare, infrastructure, manufacture, and stem innovations, we are fucking light years behind most civilized nations.

And China doesn't need to steal our shit anymore, in most area such as space tech, AI, quantum computing, EV, solar, alt energy, China is head and shoulder above us much like 5G. Its nationwide in China, lightening fast. But its not even established in US yet. We have not built anything 5G here. We just call it 5G but no actual function in 5G. Its fucking embarrassing. Get in an elevator or underground parking and you weakened your signals. You can travel in an underground tunnel hundreds of feet deep in China and download a whole fucking movie in between subway station stops.

That's how far we are behind. A farmer in some shit fuck village will shop on TB or BABA and get their shit the next day via UVA delivery, that's unmanned flying deliveries on small packages. Waiters aren't needed as they have robots sending out food. These are all pre-covid. To order lunch on your bullet train, you just need to scan your face at the station and your bento box of ANY local restaurant on their version of YELP will be delivered to your seat at your next stop, on a fucking train. If you get off your subway train and wanted a hot bowl of beef noodles, you can stop by a vending machine and ordered using your phone or just your face scan and by the time you get home, your noodles are at the delivery box in your building or outside your door.

That's ordinary China. Your peasant, peon, everyday bluecollar, whitecollar China. Not your Beverly Hills China on only what the gov't wants you to see. I have personally experienced all of that I just typed with pinpoint efficiency. I have never had to carry cash, not even to the local massage parlor or "hair salon spa". You tip by scanning the QR code on the provider's tag and write it off as business expense.

Get with the fucking program on what the rest of the world is capable of.

We are simply living on our past glories and using up the dividends our forefathers had built. Time is almost up so wake the fuck up. Stop worrying about China and worry about ourselves.
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Jul 7 2022 07:41PM     link to this

Oh yes. great ol China.

Where they have to place safety nets outside the windows of their concentration ca...err i mean factories so people dont commit sucide in-between double shifts.

Libertarians are worst than conservatives.
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Jul 7 2022 08:00PM     link to this

^just like how we used to put cages outside the window so babies can get fresh air in NYC or Chicago.

And most of those companies are US companies and Taiwan companies. So who's the asshole here?

Write to your representative to have Nike, Apple, Samsung, Dell, HP, to stop these practices by forcing others to work slave hours then. And then the next time you shop, stop complaining on how fucking expensive everything is.

I personally know the higher ups at Foxconn, if Apple decides to bring back its manufacturing to USA, each iphone will need to at the very minimum increase pricing by 250% while also decreasing sales volume due to lack of labor and raw material resources. That means retail at 2500 a pop.

If you are ok with that, go ahead, keep on criticizing China.
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