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Let's be clear about one thing. This episode was not caused by the liberal media. Until Trump announced to the world that the FBI raided his living quarters at Mar-O-Lago and broke into his safe and ruffled Melania's clothes, the liberal media had no clue what was going on. They didn't know about any top secret documents at Mar-O-Lago, they didn't know about the June meeting with Justice Department officials, they didn't know about the search warrant, the FDA haul. Trump thought he could play the Justice Department because of the Justice Department policy of not commenting on such matters. Unfortunate for him, he got outfoxed by Garland who called his bluff. A potential fateful error by Trump who believed this would be a "huge" political win for him because the Justice Department would remain silent.
I doubt there are nuclear codes in the top secret documents recovered by the FBI nor anything that would shift the nuclear balance, which is basically the U.S., Chinese and Russians can blow up planet earth 100 times over. What may have been in the documents are the identities of key U.S. government assets in Russia, China, Iran, etc. Trump basically told the Russian foreign ambassador the Israeli asset in ISIS back in 2017 so revealing this sort of stuff is second nature to Trump. If I am right, there are a lot of very scared U.S. assets and U..S. intelligence folks that are besides themselves after finding out what Trump was keeping in his bedroom safe.t
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So people in Santa Monica have a trump boner
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"If I am right, ....."
A huge Huge HUGE longshot..
About Who reported the story first... yeah no news agencies were alerted ..... sounds like it went as it should go then, right?
Only the party that was the subject if the raid or the Government agencies should release that info after the fact. And the government would not want that information out until they reviewed what they found.
Sooo yeah more nothing.
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I hope they put the phat prick in prison just so there isn't another blog about him.
Deep thrombosis in a critical brain vessel would be even better
Question for the Trump crowd
He's 76, what will you do when he dies?
Where does your allegiance go?
Seriously, he doesn't have that long by actuarial standards
What happens in Act 2?
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Doesn't matter who is next... if it's not a Democrat nothing will change. Doesn't matter to me whether DJT lives or dies what matters to me is that the bullshit from DC gets stopped ...full stop... post haste.
Thats all i want..... that and a red rider bb gun.
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If Trump goes to prison
Maybe he'll switch back to being a Democrat like he used to be
Before he shanghaied the idiot Republicans 
"Get this: If you’ve spent some time in jail, you are much more likely to vote Democrat, according to a new study published in the Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.
The numbers are actually pretty stark. In the three states the study analyzed – New York, New Mexico, and North Carolina – convicts overwhelmingly identified with the Democratic Party. Almost 62% of convicts in New York are registered Democrats and only 9% are Republican; 52% in New Mexico are Democrat, with just over 10% as Republican; and 54.6% are Democrat in North Carolina, and 10.2% are Republican."
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This shit throws new light on why Joe Biden was so interested in passing harsher laws in the '90's.
That was just a "Get out the vote" drive. ).gif)
I could totally see Donny going all Progressive in the poky
Would the Secret Service have to assign agents to his cell?
Eat that shitty food?
What if he goes to solitary and they try to Epstein him?
Would Melania be ok with conjugal visits on a cot behind bars?
There's lots of permutations to consider here.
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^ I'm pretty sure Melania isn't all that thrilled about conjugal relations with her husband now.
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Totally agree with wunanddun...
The DC liberals and deep state Fed's are going to harass anyone with leadership potential who doesn't have a D next to their name.
Basically DeSantis is next and they already harass him now anyways. If there's a solid Independent that pops up... they have a target on them.
This problem is real and it's not just about Trump.
This DOJ and FBI needs new nonpartisan leadership.
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MAGAtards want to install a monarchy. Trump as king and his children in line to succeed.
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Sorry to tell you guys that Trump is the roadrunner and the Dems is the coyote.
Just like in the cartoons the coyote has never caught the roadrunner beep! beep!
and cloud of dust.
If Trump was going to jail, the bumbling Dems would have nailed him a long time ago.
For those who keep saying that Trump is going to jail, I say only when there are
no longer any hot women on HX. 
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@GBD, you just pointed out that there are plenty of criminals who are Dems.
And from all the pictures and videos I've seen, many of the perpetrators committing thefts
and assaults are Black who are probably Democrats.
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holy smoke
i've spent a grand total of 15min...seeing a few cbs and fox clips since it happened and nothing in last 24hrs.
i will EXTEND the BET to include trump selling these NAMES...heard the word espionage? so if he's selling names or nuke secrets, he's getting convicted and going to jail...no slithering out of it.
since there aren't 10 people with the absolute conviction of this, I will have to give 2-1 and have an idea of the 4-5 people that should take the bet. just a conviction and orange jumpsuit...seems easy enough with all this damming info they're talking about.
the reality is, they're looking for any crime...most likely Jan 6th type stuff. OR it can be anything else that can knock trump out of politics...it was quite the dynamite fishing expedition, not the ice fishing with the little holes, it should have been.
if things were truly this bad, his HAVING these top secret items as a president no less...can imagine the problem of an acting SOS with an unprotected server and all that went on there. we don't even NEED to go there...just gives this a little color
i heard trump had a standing order to declassify things if he took them out of whitehouse? not sure if that was true or not, but sure it will be a key argument when this goes to court.
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You take the example of the previous SOS mentioned along with the fact Trump was already cooperating with subpoenas... next throw in the 4th Amendment and unequal enforcement of the law and this gets tossed out with a sane jury.
But then again the Sussman trial showed us a DC jury stacked with Hillary supporters is anything but sane...
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But he was NOT cooperating.
His legal team said that all documents were picked up and June and SIGNED OFF on it.
It’s not as if some lawyer under Trump went rogue. Trump is too much of a control freak and demands subservience and loyalty just to get a dollar out of him.
FBI called bullshit and took him to task for it, and here we are now, with serious jail time on the line.
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Here is a low down of what Trump is looking at in terms of crime:
“What crimes may have been committed?
There are several laws governing the handling of classified information and presidential records, and these come with both criminal and civil penalties.
In fact, Mr Trump increased the penalties for the removal of classified documents or materials while he was in office and it is now punishable by up to five years in prison.
The unsealed search warrant shows prosecutors are investigating three potential crimes. These are:
• violations of the Espionage Act
• obstruction of justice
•the criminal handling of government records
None of the three criminal laws in question depend on whether the files are declassified.”
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2-1 odds...FUCK??? after that rebuttal, it's a no brainer
sounds like easy espionage - a conviction and orange jumpsuit.
you are one of the 5 btw...I know you got 250bucks, based on all your investment/business prowess have talked about
i probably wouldn't even need to take the money...just prove a point and gamble 500 bucks to shut you up
so better than 2-1...it could be free
that's my conviction after spending 15 minutes looking at the shit
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when i say shut up?? i'm talking about the incessant talk that HE MUST be selling america out to enemies or other countries
considering you all talked about his nationalistic ways over the first few years as a horrible thing - it makes no sense...UNLESS the dude needs the money?
I guess that's always a possibility...we never got his tax returns...maybe those will show WHO he really owes money to and he NEEDED to give them america's secret docs to help satisfy the loans.
think any investigator has looked at the tax returns yet? mueller?
maybe the financial forms filed with the government weren't good enough...we should be hearing about those also
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First off, I would like to make a clarification; the title of this blog is misleading and defamatory. Nowhere has it been stated (that I can find) where DT "sold" nuclear secrets. I find it very inflammatory that someone would title any document as such.
Having said that, I am now convinced that there is no singular "snitch", but rather a sequence of events that leads to this point. ALL classified documents are subject to a "chain of custody" (CoC) process, which means that there is a record of them being moved around and passed from hand to hand. Hence, the last record of a file's location SHOULD BE where the file currently is.
When Trump hurriedly packed up to leave the White House, a bunch of files were hastily boxed and moved to Mar-a-Lago. Obviously, some of those files were of confidential or secret nature. I can see how some questionable files might have ended up in those boxes but it doesn't excuse the fact that they should not have been.
Enter the National Archives, who inform (informally) Trump (in 2021) that some documents appear to be missing that should remain in the custody of the National Archives per the Presidential Records Act. Some files/documents were returned, but it was a miniscule amount compared to what was taken.
Earlier this year, the National Archives asked again, only this time 15 BOXES of files and documents were turned over. Within those 15 boxes were some files or documents that were classified. At this point, a crime had obviously been committed, which prompted a referral to the DOJ (as it should have been). In June, the DOJ apparently informed Trump that more documents were known to be missing, which resulted in even more files/documents being turned over. So, on the surface, it appears that Trump was making "some effort" to abide by the multiple requests.
BUT HERE IS WHERE THE PROBLEM STARTED AND NEVER GOT RESOLVED - somewhere, in a super-secure facility, a clerk who is responsible for knowing where all these classified documents are at, at any given time (CoC), sees that some classified files are still missing. The last entry shows that the documents were left with the president. So even after the multiple attempts by Trump (more likely, Trump's people) to abide by the requests to return files and documents, it is evident that there are still some classified files missing! Well, who was the last person in possession of them?
What closed the otherwise civil attempts by the National Archives and the DOJ to recover the STILL MISSING CLASSIFIED MATERIAL was when Trump's lawyers signed a document stating that Trump had no more responsive records (essentially saying, "there are no more so don't ask again - consider us done with this issue"). Then, and only then, was it probably decided that the forceful approach of a search warrant was going to be necessary to get the classified material back.
So, there is no one "snitch", unless you want to call the classified records clerk (responsible for maintaining the CoC) who was simply doing their job one. So, the belief that Biden ordered or orchestrated the search warrant is ludicrous. In fact, Biden couldn't even stop this process if he wanted to. There are certain laws and procedures that even the president can't interfere with.
Getting the documents back is obviously the main objective, but a secondary task is to evaluate if any of this classified material was ever shared with someone inappropriately. So computers, cell phones, emails, and even copy machines all have to be analyzed to see if a reference was even made to this material.
The next BOMB to hit (possibly) is if the CoC indicated that 12 classified files were missing and only 11 were recovered in the search at Mar-a-Lago. In that case, expect search warrants for EVERY PERSON in Trump's inner circle to be forthcoming, possibly even FOX News. And if it is found that someone like Roger Stone or Steve Bannon EVER had that information at their disposal, then yes, Trump is probably going to prison - and rightfully so!
BTW - you can't just wave a magic wand and declare a classified document "unclassified". Just like the "Secret" stamp on the file, a subsequent "Unclassified" stamp must exist for it to be deemed so. And who puts that stamp on the file - the classified records clerk!
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that comes from an accusation or strong intimation inside the original thread...a little espionage??
what is that btw?
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And I forgot to add - I'm pretty sure that the FBI has already checked each recovered file for fingerprints! Where will it lead?
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@ISOS not sure if your calling out me or shit-can
Anyways...
When joe and more importantly Hunter is on the payroll of corporations located within the borders of foreign adversaries I find it laughable the charge Trump with espionage.
And it was Obama who put Iran on track for nukes, sent them pallets of cash. It was Trump who squashed that with harsh sanctions but Biden who is trying to bring Iran back into the fold with nuke capabilities and more cash.
Obstruction... of what exactly. The FBI and DOJ have lost all credibility when it comes to investigations of Trump. They are the ones obstructing Democracy.
Jesse Waters explains things well..
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Trump has not, and may never be charged with espionage (depends on if any classified files are still missing). It just so happens that one does not need to actually engage in espionage to be charged under the act - mis-handling classified material is covered under that act as well.
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Jesse is an idiot, and proves themselves again.
Listen to actual legal experts from here and abroad and the consensus is that Trump fucked himself very well, and every legal argent he and his lawyers make contradicts other reasons Trump says he did what he did. no amount of sugar coating can take away the fact that highest level classified data was on site, where it should not be, and May be used to compromise the nation.
What ever arguments you have for “Biden”, “deep state” and other bulk shot that have nothing to do with this is mere distraction and denial that crime has been committed and Justice will be served, cold and hard. You might as well argue for Donald saying it was Michael Jackson who did it because there are few finger prints and it was obviously zombie Michael and his gloves who placed them there.
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Good analysis by dft. My take is that Trump most likely did not have any nuclear codes nor documents that are really top secret in a dangerous way. As I am sure those files are held by others in government. Because of Trumps partial cooperation and the recovery of the info he might be let off with a warning and the DOJ or the archives keeping the records seized Prosecuting him could blow up the country and the DOJand the security state do not want that.
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calling out those fanning the flames of jail time...trading nuke secrets and or spy info to other counties...cuz he might need to?
that's what the bets about - INTENT or already doing THOSE things
don't move the goal post...those are things being brought into the thread with lots of gusto and little giddiness  maybe feining a little concern to wrap a bow on it
mishandling of info? having it? those are different issues and he might well have some legal issues...maybe it knocks him out of politics or running again.
kinda complicated...so counting your chickens is kinda what you people do. history has shown, it's probably nothing but a little circle jerk among friends or the LEFT
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There is a lot of wiggle room available for Trump ("My people packed up those files!"). And the whole "packed in a hurry and stored in the basement at Mar-a-Lago" will probably suffice in most cases. However, if classified material was found in the safe, then that is going to be a serious problem because it points to deliberate intent.
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The president is the ULTIMATE authority on classified documents. There is no higher authority. Trump declassified the documents before leaving office. End of story.
My only question is "who has access to the documents now and under what authority".
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I think that the "obstruction" basis is that several attempts were made to recover KNOWN MISSING CLASSIFIED MATERIALS and with each subsequent request, more files were in fact turned over. The problem point came when they finally subpoenaed for the stuff they still knew was missing and Trump (or his people) STILL didn't come clean. When they finally found it during the search at Mar-a-Lago the foundation for the obstruction charge was established beyond a reasonable doubt (in my mind). Especially after his lawyers had signed that document stating that Trump was no longer in possession of any responsive material (when he clearly was).
Before the day is over, Trump will throw the lawyer that signed that statement under the bus, claiming that he was unaware of it being signed and, by the way, stating, "I don't even know who that person is!" (a favorite tactic of his).
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No, he is not the ultimate authority. He is not a king. He is a public servant.
There are established prootocols for safety and security of top secret/compartmentalized documents that should never EVER leave a secure facility, and require entire teams with security clearance to check content, secure transfer, have constant security/surveillance and log who has access and handles the documents and returns them. President or no President. And Trump has been out office for 18 months no. No way should still have them, even after his lawyers said everything was returned in June.
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@loratad
You are basically correct, except unless the files were clearly stamped as "Declassified", then they weren't!
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maybe not just to keep it more protected? maybe they told him, don't put top secret docs in the safe...a padlock on the door is preferred
did they find anything in the safe?
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I encourage every duplicitous self righteous asshole claiming a crime has been committed to do a search on your favorite search engine...
"James Comey no criminal intent"
One could argue in DJTs case he had ultimate decassification authority and despite shitcans protestations ...He Does. But using the standard established by the FBI they now have to prove that DJT didn't just knowingly take classified information but had criminal intent in doing so...
You see what happens when you selectively apply justice? You get all kinds of interesting and compromising situations that come up in fixture seemingly unrelated situations.
I'd be happy to accept any acknowledgement that I am right from the self righteous ... but I won't hold my breath.
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Future not fixture
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I'm gonna correct one thing... I said DJT had ultimate declassification authority.... that us incorrect... The person who holds the office of POTUS does.
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And in regards to this being a political hit job, I think the way that this has been handled clearly shows that it was not. At the first request to return files under the Presidential Records Act, I'm 100% sure that the National Archives knew it included some classified material. In fact, that may have been the ONLY reason they made the request in the first place! They just wanted the classified material back! But no one wants to see an ex-president in prison, not even the dems (essentially airing our dirty laundry in front of the world), and if the files had been turned over at that time then this would now be non-issue. I believe that they were trying to solve the problem at the lowest level possible. It was only when those low-level attempts obviously failed did they resort to the subpoena. And only after that failed as well did they resort to the search warrant.
I can apply some empathy and see where Trump did not pack up his office before leaving. I'm sure some aides did that. Trump may not have known that there was any classified material in those boxes, and believed that what was packed up was rightfully his as personal papers. But Trump was educated on the handling of classified materials (Executive Order 13292 4.1 ( ) and should have known better.
Hopefully, future presidents will learn from all of this and make sure that all classified material is accounted for and returned before letting the first aide into the office to pack it up! But sadly, I don't think this drama is over yet and some interesting, if not disturbing facts may still come to light.
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Ok, let's say the documents found in Mar A Lago were classified top secret. And let's say they could have compromised national security. And let's throw in that they had to do with our nuclear arsenal. So, my question is if this was such an immediate threat to national security how come no one told Biden? Why keep him out of the loop? Was the National Security Advisor told? How about the National Security Agency, were they made aware of the threat? Was the CIA Director read in? Seems like a lot of people that should have been aware of this potential threat were kept in the dark. But the biggest question is if these documents posed such an immediate threat to our National security how come no one told Joe? How come no one told anyone in the White House? Seems they would need that info to do their jobs.
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we're in mid-august? maybe a few months later they will have his all cleared up...easily by 11/15
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Usually in mid-august we have stories of pitbull attacks or freeway shootings. Not this year, it's all about a trump boner
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I believe the executive order you cite removes the Potus and vPotus from said restrictions.
It's perfectly fine to believe something someone did was wrong. You say what you believe and substantiate it quite well. It doesn't change the fact that it is all coming from how you understand things and not from the standpoint of how things actually happened.
Nothing I have read indicates when these documents were removed from the white house Trump spent a lot of time during his tenure as President at Mar A Lago.. it would stand to reason there were documents there from a time period just before during and after his Term as President. Returning them is a process which we have never been witness to before and any assumption that every document no matter how high the classification has been returned to the Archive would be highly suspect for each and every president.
This simply is grabbing at straws
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Returned to the archive.
These documents should never have left a secure location. Mar A lago has never been secure, as the cell phone videos of Trump and the Japanese Prime Minister meetings made by guests at the resort demonstrate. Two important world leaders and anyone with a tee off time that am day can listen in.
Experts have said over and over again with a security nightmare Mar A Lago is. And your comments tell me you do not know shut about secure documents and information security.
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It's Sunday drive down to TJ find a donkey and go crazy
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@sherkhan I guarantee you I have more experience handling secure government documents than you do.
You think the POTUS doesn't have secure government documents on or near him at nearly all times? If you believe that you confirm everything I think about your knowledge on anything.
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it's around this time for the hits to come...elections a few months away
trump letting russians target american soldiers was jun/july
trump not going to cemetery in france...calling them suckers...was in sept?
so we're in the middle...this one was a little more complicated as actual people NEEDED to do stuff...not just write a hit piece story.
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@1972monarch
No doubt that Biden was aware, as was everyone else you mentioned. That doesn't mean that they took an active part in any of it, but missing top secret files are certainly something that the sitting president should, and would, be made aware of. But as long as the appropriate authorities were addressing the problem, there was really no need for Biden to try to control anything!
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Its not like the government has ever lied about WMD's before.
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Funny how they are making a big deal of this, but they still haven't released the client list from the Epstein FBI raid.
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^ Yeah, FOI is a joke if you are a private citizen. I've been trying to get my father's FBI file for 10 years and still haven't got it. And he passed in 2003!
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Trump is
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a Russian spy.
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