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remember back in the day (early 80's)...everyone talked about getting a job as a longshoreman as a career that paid well, no one could get in type of thing, unless you were connected
later on had a couple clients that worked as longshoreman and few others making 250-300 in logistics...back in the 90's
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Unions are shit but consider the alternative
Low IQ types that join unions would otherwise be felons
Rioters who would burn down your house just cause you're not dumb
Truth
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Redfish1 is clueless as to how things work on the docks. the contract from 1971 was referred to as the mechanization contract. the ilwu cannot stop automation. there are already 2 automated terminals in operation as of 5 years ago. LB-24 and Tra-pac LA-126. 3 others are undergoing modernization for automation in the last 6 months. somebody forgets that california is the 8th largest economy in the world. so almost 40% of all good from china land in california. the panama canal still cannot take any ships that are over 16K TEU's so the mega ships that are 20 - 24 K teu have to stop in LA-LB. and there are more mega ships being built today. approx 12 that i know of. china and korea are the builders of them. Somebody sounds bitter that they didn't join the ILWU ...
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LA and LB were closed for one day, pm on thursday and AM on friday. operations are back to normal as of friday the 7th on the pm shift. previous contract talks lasted over 2 years. and good continued to flow. during the pandemic both ports moved record amounts of cargo. easily to fact check if one looks up the port of LB or LA web sites.
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Redfish was throwing rocks. Groviedude showed up flinging bricks.
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Ever been smacked upside the head with a brick?
That shit hurts yo!
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Upside the head with a 2 x 4
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Call bs on union member, GF
Severely overpaid and unneeded workers have caused large inefficiencies at these ports
Many other ports move larger per worker amounts of goods more efficiently
This has been documented many times
New expansion doubling of Panama Canal in 2025 will hopefully decimate the LA union
UTLA, SEIU, CTA
All criminal organizations and should be outlawed
Private unions not much better
Cut them out like cancer that they are
Namaste
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I like the purpose of unions, can't stand what they do, never joined the one that I could have, enjoy my pension.
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You are correct. I know shit about how the ports work. I only know what doesn’t work from the perspective of a shipper and a vendor.
What doesn’t work for me is having a ship arrive on a Monday and my trucker is unable to pick it up until the following Tuesday. We have extensive data on this, and your fellow union hacks have a history of inefficient behavior going back at least the past 4 years. Before that, in 2014 we saw your cronies disrupting the west coast supply chain while playing the same games: Not supplying enough labor to unload ships followed by not enough labor to load containers on the trucks. You guys said it wasn’t a strike. But it was obvious ya’ll were fucking with the supply chain and the trucking industry to get yer way.
You union hacks do not understand, never will understand, and don’t give a shit how expensive it is to send a truck to the port and fail to pick up their assigned container.
I am not the only shipper/vendor moving my operation to the Gulf ports. Read the fucking news! All major retailers are pressuring their vendors to set up shop anywhere else that does not rely on the southern California ports.
We are also moving away from using factories based in China. Southeast Asian countries have a similar factory infrastructure and do not have the Xinjiang province’s cotton growing slave labor issue to contend with.
And FYI you uninformed Panama Canal alternative deniers, since 2021, the maximum length overall for commercial vessels travelling through the Panama Canal is now acceptable for regular transits of the Neopanamax Locks at 370.33 meters.
That increase means that now 96.8% of the world’s fleet of container ships can transit the Panama Canal.
Bottom line is we don’t need them spoiled self-entitled port unions on the west US coast anymore. Texas and Florida are much more business friendly and their union leaders don’t play these games.
I still say mow down the POLA and the POLB and build condos. Your union leadership and California’s government leaders have failed in the most basic task of getting goods in and out of the ports as quickly as possible.
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Amen
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I mean Houston is still pretty Liberal too, but it's at a threshold you'll be satisfied with.
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maybe it's*
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Redfish, the larger ships need more draft that is available through Panama. It’s not the length but draft and width . The new terminals have an appointment system. Ever try and use it ? In and out in 35 minutes. You are one bitter asshole.
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Link attached to Freightwaves.com. read it and weep. The writing is on the wall and you don't have to worry about a thing. You will still get paid whether the large shippers and vendors who formally relied on the POLA/POLB to get our major retailer customers' product to their DC's on time leave SoCal for more friendly ports.
LA imports plunge 41% year on year, 33% month on month, 28% vs. pre-COVID is what it says.
You are living in fantasy land with your in-and-out in 35 minutes bullshit. Are you basing that on 35 minutes after the loader shows up to load the container on the truck? My experience is it is an hour (or more) to get into the gate, another hour waiting for the loader, and another 30-40 minutes waiting for the container to be loaded on the truck.
The appointment system is a joke. It is an appointment to wait and if the truck waiting in line fails to get into the gate before the appointment window closes, well, fuck me then. Scramble to make another appointment. Maybe 1-2 days out from the last free day. Pay demurrage. Try again.
The average wait time to pick up one container from any of the LA/LB port terminals is 3 hours. Not 35 minutes like the Port Nirvana expert who called me a bitter asshole suggested.
Y’see, we should be friends, not enemies. But that is what it has come down to. Shippers/vendors/truckers complain how inefficient the ports and their workers are, and we are called bitter assholes.
I’m not bitter. I am a pragmatist and have no time or patience for the dysfunctional ports in SoCal. I sign the front of the check for my truckers. I pass on the added costs of the ports’ inefficiencies to my customers, and they are demanding I find an alternative to cut my costs because the longshoremen can’t get their shit together
You don’t get it that the POLA and POLB day’s as a major player are over unless the ones controlling the labor pool step up and stop treating your customers (shippers, vendors and truckers) like we are bitter asshole parasites.
Tear it down and start over. Your union leaders have failed their members and the international shipping community. Your only response is to bite the hands that feed you by calling us “bitter assholes.”
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Are you bitter that all those union members will one day be "unhoused"?
24/7/365 fresh air will do them a world of good.
Living in a cardboard yurt will be educational.
Eating scraps in the alley behind Big Al's Pizzeria and Donut shop will get them in shape.
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Not bitter. Just saying that the unions don's understand the economic implications of continuing to treat the shipping and trucking communities as parasites.
Setting up in Houston and Miami was easy.
POLA and POLB continue to treat truckers like shit. I have FMCSA audited E-Logs from our recent CHP/BIT terminal inspection from our truckers documenting their delay times. It's not 35 minutes as the union hack in this blog claimed. He is living in fantasy land.
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You're being far too nice and charitable
As far as unions go, I say.....
Let the beatings commence
There was a time 100 years ago, they had a reason to exist
Now, they're just a popped boil on a canker sore inside the crack of a pigs ass
But, I digress......
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LBCT time in and out 35 minutes. its a fact. pretty much the same at Tra pac. enjoy Texas .
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If Redfin is correct then the drop in freight will cause the Southern California Economy to take a major hit. It might also raise the cost of some goods since they will now travel via truck or railroad from Texas or elsewhere to Southern California. On the positive side the hit might be sufficient to lower the housing prices.
If Grooviefan is correct then everyone can expect everything to stay pretty much the same.
FWIW at one point in time a number of freight companies moved from NYC ports to other East Coast ports because of high costs related to NYC. How much was lost and how much might have returned I don't know.
Time will tell.
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one dude believes for the most part, that times are 35min. kinda coming off like it's 100 percent of the time...vs maybe acknowledging shit happens sometimes...BUT maybe it doesn't at the ports (the shit part) ?
other dude saying his EXPERIENCE has been shit to point of looking for other options...a few times of shit experience/expense and that seems normal.
the problem is need to move off the coast of CALIF to TEX? maybe that's what he meant about enjoy?
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^^ my quote was for LBCT lb24 and tra-_pac only there are 3 major terminals undergoing conversion to automation as of last year. all ports will have to get better rail service if rail schedules are to b meet . during the pandemic there were serous shortages w chassis for the containers. both of which are not under the control of any union...
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i went to the transportation club meeting couple months ago.
it was such a farce..both port bosses there addressing the decrease in numbers and upcoming negotiations.
and now i know why the ONE ship i ran by was on anchor outside Queens gate.
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"all ports will have to get better rail service if rail schedules are to b meet ."
Seems difficult considering all the regularly scheduled train derailments happening lately.
Next thing we see will be someone fucks with the Panama canal somehow and we go back 150 years to shipping stuff around the horn.
How the fuck did Carter give away the Panama canal?...
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People like to shit on unions but don’t realize weekends off, work holidays, overtime, sick leave, etc. are all because unions fought for them back in the day.
Just look at union busting companies like Walmart and McDonald’s. Some of most profitable companies in world where majority of the workers make shit and require food stamps to get by.
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“How the fuck did Carter give away the Panama canal?”
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Is there a legitimate issue that has come up because of the transfer? Basically US simply outsourced operations to Panama. There is a clause in the transfer treaty that would allow USA to “defend the canal’s neutrality “ by all means necessary.
Basically an act of war if Panama tries any funny business.
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It's like the lease agreement was up on the Panama Canal.
Roosevelt or whatever honky put a ownership time frame on it.
NOW CAN WE HAVE THE BLACK HILLS BACK TOO?
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"Just look at union busting companies like Walmart and McDonald’s. Some of most profitable companies in world where majority of the workers make shit and require food stamps to get by."
I acknowledge that unions had their place back in the day.
They are outmoded now. NOBODY should be working the window at Mickey D's as a career, for fuck sake. It's an entry level training job, then you either get promoted for higher pay or take what you learned and move on.
If you stopped listening to mass media and did a little homework, you might just get it.
Here's a couple of links about minimum wage laws, labor union, etc that you might start with.
Forget that these links are written by the black son of a housemaid, wouldn't want that to taint your understanding.
Good luck.
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Just Google the founding of unions and you'll find the racist reason for them existing, at least in the beginning. Just to keep lower skilled, lower wage blacks out of the labor pool.....and it was very violent.
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You mean air fryer?
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Meh, Im indifferent to Unions but they do seem ineffective especially lately. Maybe they still take a different strategy and figure out how to coup their CEO
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Maybe they should*
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unions are really a leftover from the industrial revolution.
they were required then to make sure workers were treated right and received a "fair" wage.
but are they really needed now? many present unions seems mostly like a money grab and typically those unions have a really strong hold/squeeze on not only the compay they work for but also the general public.
Dockworkers - (stronghold > you dont get your goods )
Airline crew/ATC - (stronghold> you dont get to your destination)
Train crew - (stronghold > you dont get your goods)
Teachers - (stronghold >kids get no education and have to stay home)
Medical staff/nurses - (stronghold>possible delay of treatments)
public transport -(stronghold > no ride to work)
trucking/distribution - (stronghold > you dont get your goods)
if you think about it, most of those unions didnt originate from need but instead from opportunity.
leaders realize they have an enormous squeeze not only on their company but if fact also on the general public.
if you compare it to the auto workers union - they originated from need and their window of opportunity is not huge. all they can do is to stop making cars and that can be hard on the company but the public could be meh, i will survive.
nurses go on strike and all of a sudden its not just hurting General Hospital but also the people awaiting treatments - blows up rather quickly.
are county and city employees organized in unions?
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