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.......I would love the ladies perspective!
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It is both! SoCal seems to be the hotbed of deposit scams these days. In other parts of the country they are considered normal and appropriate. In OKC last year I had guys throwing deposits (upwards of 1K) at me!
If you are an established HX member with a good network then you should NEVER be required to make a deposit to another HX member. Having said that, if you have any history whatsoever(1) of short notice cancellations or of being a No Call - No Show (NCNS) then you may be asked to make a deposit to ensure that you are serious about showing up this time.
Legitimate deposits are to ensure that the appointee will show up and not be a waste of time. I allow a minimum of 30 minutes between sessions. If a person is asking for a 2 hr appointment then that takes a big chunk of revenue time out of my day to reserve that time. When the appointee cancels on short notice or worse, totally ghosts me, then there is not enough time to fill that time slot with another appointment. Time is money - and wasted time is wasted money. That time, and revenue, is lost forever.
Let's face it, guys get in a certain mood and start trying to contact girls, and a lot of times they are impaired after having too much to drink. Their attention span when doing this is limited, they will probably go with the first person that says "OK." However, they may still browse the profiles of other girls and even reach out to them as well. If another girls says "OK" that he prefers more, he will book an appointment with the preferred girl and totally ignore the commitment he made to the first one - NCNS. Either that, or he will get so worked up that he satisfies himself and now the mood is gone - but he never bothers to cancel the appointment that he made - NCNS. And sometimes they just pass out at home - NCNS! Regardless of how it happened, a NCNS is considered bad, especially if the address was given out (which could result in some red paint on the guy's network) and is usually the reason that a guy now finds himself on deposit status even if he has never contacted that particular HX member before.
I routinely require deposits of anyone who contacts me outside of HX. In SoCal that results in lost revenue opportunity itself because deposit scams are so pervasive here and guys are rightfully suspicious of them, but that is a business decision that I make and am prepared to live with. But I will say this, if you have a history of not respecting a girl's time then I can rightfully assume that you will not respect boundaries either.
Bottom line: If you are an HX member in good standing then you should never be required to make a deposit to another HX member. If an HX member does ask you for a deposit then slow down, do some research on that person (check their network and read the blogs that mention them), and then make a decision. In almost every case of someone being scammed on HX, the guy did not bother to do the research.
If you are trying to see someone who is not on HX that asks for a deposit, then roll the dice! But you would be short-sighted to just assume that it is a scam.
(1) Even if the information is available outside of HX. Girls trade notes, just like the guys do, and that information is not restricted to the HX platform.
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If you have seen them a hand full of times, and built trust, then perhaps. I can't speak for the two of you.
If an out and there drive is an hour and you have seen them once or twice, maybe.
Don't find yourself in desperate mode and toss a grand at someone you've never seen before.
Plus do not ever give in to a cashless society, even though it can not be stopped.
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And have a look at all the Private info that B of A gave the FBI.
You think any other bank would not if an investigation was open ?
Never forget, it's a big club, and you are not in it ~ Carlin
Ugh, see what you started 
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Never trust a broad more than you can throw them.
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It almost becomes a circular argument. Even outside of HX, if you have seen someone a couple of times and developed a trust in them then the reasons for requiring a deposit are no longer valid, as you yourself have established that you are trustworthy. It's always that first encounter that is the difficult one for either party to say, "I trust you."
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Marissa, I wish you were in the OC, I'd visit you every day!
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@SeymourButz
At 5'1" and only 95 lbs soaking wet, you could probably throw my a fair distance!
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@Ragged
Thank you baby! I will be in your area again in late June.
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Just saw a Provider on Wednesday that Required a Deposit to Book, The Deposit DID NOT GO TOWARDS the donation, which is kind of Wack that you are paying extra just to book. She is a reputable provider on this site and another one that many of you are familiar with. She does have stellar reviews on Both sites and I did reach out to people that had rated her to get info , She clearly states the deposit in her Ad. it was not to much $ but still having to Zelle or CashApp it is very inconvenient.
I get the thought process on the deposit, but with clientele thats established is it really necessary?!?
But I cant Imagine how many Guys Flake and at least w the deposit they get some sort of compensation for their time
Ive had a few Girls flake on myself also, we as hobbyist do not get anything from it, I feel its just part of the Game. Thats the reason for the Rating system , for both the provider and hobbyist
But deposits are seeming more of the Norm now
SNTS
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I require a deposit for every appointment. I have limited availability so it helps secure my schedule. I do have a pretty good reputation so a true gentleman will not question why I do it or if they can find a way out from it, it happens I just move on to the next message 🤪🫶🏼💋
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^^Tabie, Does the deposit go toward the Donation or is it On top of??
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Just say no.
Unless you don't care about the money.
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@Tabie
I should have said, "In my opinion..." Each girl on this site has their own preferences and at your level, and with your experience, you obviously don't fall into the category of a possible scammer. My comments were directed at both guys and girls that may not have a lot of experience with the issue but are quick to jump to conclusions. In no way should my blanket statement of declaring that one HX member should never ask another HX member in good standing for a deposit be construed as criticism of anyone who actually does. If deposits make sense for you then I hope you will eventually get every guy on HX to see you at least once so you can help them overcome their phobias about it.
But it does irk me when guys make blanket statements that deposits should never be paid, under any circumstances, as they clearly don't understand, or appreciate, the problems associated with flakes, NCNS, and the problems associated with trying to keep an accurate and productive schedule. Even though I don't require a deposit from most HX members, I still get riled up when someone attacks that concept as being an obvious scam. And truth be told, whenever someone claims that flakes and NCNS should be considered, "the cost of doing business" I just want to puke!
For legitimate girls, deposit requirements are simply a knee-jerk reaction to having been burned, usually more than once. Had guys always been honest in making their appointments and following through on them the deposit requirements would never be necessary, or even considered! So it is an age-old story - a few guys have fucked it off for the many! So guys, if you want to complain about it, direct it to your brethren, not us girls.
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Many girls ( or should I say trustworthy girls) will absolutely make up for flaking or cancelling
But when guys do it we are not only out of money from your slot but at a complete loss because we could have booked someone else.
Also I have NEVER met a man that made up or payed me for flaking EVER yet everytime I flake or even have to push the time out I give a deal
So I see why a woman would want a deposit. Especially a lady like me who doesn't come out often, doesn't see a lot of people and rarely have extra time to spare when someone flakes. . it helps secure your spot but it definitely should go towards the service . That's just a rip off
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I only require a deposit if the person has canceled on me before
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Marrisa l ❤️ you. I picked up what you were putting down 😉
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@SweetNuts
As if the conversation isn't difficult enough already, you had to throw that wrench into the gears. Not your fault though, it appears to be a new twist on the deposit controversy so it is fair to bring it up and make it open for discussion.
If a deposit does not go towards the session then is it a "deposit" or simply a "booking fee?" Either one is fair game in my book as long as it is clearly explained and not a last minute surprise.
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I always require a large deposit since my time is extremely valuable.
If the person I have an appointment with is on time and the contract is fulfilled their deposit is refunded.
If they cannot abide to the terms of the contract then they forfeit the deposit and now owe five times the deposit amount for breech of said contract.
Let's us not forget bunga bunga is part of every contract.!
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If I have to cancel or if I feel a bad vibe with the person I always refund the deposit. I would not tarnish my reputation over a $100 deposit. That would be unprofessional.😊💋
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I actually pre-pay. I tend to repeat, so trust is firmly established.
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I did not know you provided such services butthead 🤪
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@ Marrisa There has been enough chatter here that I would trust you.
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I like leaving a deposit...and I'm not talking about money lol
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^^ hopefully a few deposits
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^^^^ My thoughts exactly. I have had only a few appointments that have gone sideways for whatever reason and am quick to either offer a refund, or at least a significant discount on a future session (and even did a couple of freebees). For me, a deposit is more of an indication that they are really serious, and is much less likely to flake or be an address collector, I don't view it as yet another source of revenue.
I once had a guy send a deposit in crypto. When he cancelled within a reasonable time, I refunded it back to him, in crypto, but actually took a loss on it because the exchange rate had changed. But again, it was insignificant enough to risk getting into an argument or getting a bad reputation because of it.
It is penny wise and dollar foolish (and just poor business practice) to be too tight and let a customer leave with anything on their mind except complete satisfaction.
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NEVER NEVER
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My services have nothing to do with humaniplex.
For hx I normally travel 3 to 4 hours round trip so I would already trust the person or no appointment.
I trust few to be on time so I cannot make an appointment with people having dandruff.
Tough call.
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I have 100% been scammed on every deposit. And from very reliable providers on hx .
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Funny thing about this whole conversation is a deposit doesn't guarantee a guy showing up but what it does guarantee is the guy losing money
Somehow these ladies have convinced themselves they don't have to cover the fixed and variable cost of their business like every other business does
Sorry ladies it doesn't work that way
imagine if every business asked for a deposit everytime you needed something delivered or picked up. The pizza man asking for a deposit before he or she could bring the pizza to your house
If you can't cover simple fixed and variable cost your really shouldn't be doing business. In fact you don't even have a business at the point just a glorified job.
Then you wonder why the majority of these ladies are going from hotel to hotel broke. Pure stupidity.
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Sorry ladies, deposits are a deal breaker for me.
No hard feelings though. You can run your business any way that you prefer.
Dave
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Matrix... when he books and doesn't show she will lose money for his mess up so I think the person who cancels should be responsible not the. If it's her fault then she should make up for it and if it's his fault he should pay a deposit.... Even doctors have a No show fee/policy.
Also a lot of places charge delivery fees. Maybe not a deposit but Even Panera bread tells you that if you order delivery their meny items will be a little more expensive .
Also most places that deliver will charge a delivery fee AND usually makes you pay before they come lol like pizza places haha Even at the drive through you pay before you order and HOPE it's correct lol
So that may not be a good comparison BUT I kinda understand how men feel because just like women want to protect themselves, the men do too. It's a catch 22 kinda think . The girl wants a deposit because of too many cancellations and the men don't want to make deposits because of too many scams
Sucks
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I don't require deposits though
So idk
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To each is own … ( is that how that goes 🤭) everyone is doing what is right for them. If you don’t like someone’s practice and rules to engage with them then just move on …. There are so many people on here who will fit your bill….. it goes all ways… at the end of the day we all have to do our best to feel comfortable and confident in our our own abilities to navigate this very unique niche …
Happy hobbying 🫡
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Deposits seem to be a great solution to flakes
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My hairdresser requires a deposit and a no-show fee. I am free to go elsewhere. I prefer my hairdresser over supercuts so I pay for it.
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"when he books and doesn't show she will lose money for his mess up so I think the person who cancels should be responsible not the."
That's the point you are going to lose money when doing business. If you can't generate enough profit to cover your loses you have a losing business. That's why you don't see businesses doing that.
Deposits in a business since is to show your ability to pay for something like another form of credit not to cover your routine loses and fixed cost. You are supposed to have your own money upfront to cover your loses or fixed cost not ask for a handout from your customers. That's a losing strategy.
This is why we don't have you have ladies running businesses majority of you just generally don't understand basic businesses concepts. This is why we see so many of you ladies going from hotel to hotel losing money.
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To many scams, some photos are fakes and some don’t honor their menu, double booking, ghosting
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Exactly syd.. even my nail tech requires a deposit lol idk why these men think women can't run their own business when I know WAAAAAAAY more females entrepreneurs than men. Hair dressers, make up artists, clothing boutique owners, lash techs, and even estheticians lol
Matrix .. bless your heart lol
I almost feel bad that someone at your big grown age could be so simple minded ... Idk what kind of ladies that you meet but it sounds like you need to upgrade your taste 🤣 I don't think any of those things apply to me so I can't comment because idk what it's like to sleep in a hotel longer than one night unless I'm on vacation
Also. Yes businesses have to take losses but if the majority of your business is going to be a loss due to cancellations and flakes then you will find ways to make up for it. I.E. deposits or other...
LOTS of places asks for deposits!! They just may not be the places that you frequent, but they do. Even when I booked a reservation at Mama por dios (gross food btw) they made me put a card on file and will charge you if you don't show up.
BUT GUESS WHAT!!!! The great part about being a grown up is that you don't have to pay it lol. Just say no thank you and move on but don't bash anyone for how they run their business
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Also maybe the ladies that do require a deposit can add it on their page? I wonder if that would help clear confusion before hand?
I can see putting "no deposit required" on your page as a good thing too. Unless it's TOS then nvm
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Yeah, mentioning of deposits in any way raises red flags.
IMHO.
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@ TheMatrixx
Thank you for your infinite wisdom! You have made your point very clear. The solution is simple and easy to implement.
To cover the "potential" loss of revenue I will simply implement a "real" counter move. I will simply increase the donation for everyone to cover the possibility of the few jerks that do not respect a girl's time and probably wouldn't respect their boundaries anyway.
Problem solved! All of you guys can pay for the bad behavior of a few.
Too bad there are few jerks on HX that do such a thing. If only you would have spent some effort in trying to educate your brethren of the knee-jerk reaction that will undoubtedly happen if they don't stop doing things like NCNS then maybe it could have been avoided. Take for example @CrownPrince who states that he has lost 100% of the deposits he has made to HX members yet only has one red safety rating in his network. How many other guys got victimized by the same girls because he did not post the most common warning possible on this site - a negative safety rating? You guys seem to just want to be able to do whatever you damn well please with no ramifications, but quick to tell us girls how to do our business. Why not just cut to the chase and become a booker?
So please continue with your sage advice and give me your opinion. Should I call it a "NCNS Insurance Fee" or just add it to the existing donation level and let it be hidden? Should I put it in my profile or wait and do it via PM? And should I apply it to everyone or just the misogynic trolls?
Maybe I can just add a bunch of these fees, kind of like the add-ons you see on a property tax statement.
And BTW - who let you out of the penalty box?
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"WAAAAAAAY more females entrepreneurs than men. Hair dressers, make up artists, clothing boutique owners, lash techs, and even estheticians lol"
"You can't make this shit up" the fact you just uttered that BS out your mouth just shows how ignorant you are. (Hairdressers and make up artists as entrepreneurship really?)
Why don't you stop talking and go read some statistics on that you will be shocked to see how foolish you sound.
You don't even know the reality of the majority of ladies in this line of work why don't go take a trip down to the track (LA, Hollywood, Pamona, and San Bernardino) and see how the majority of these ladies are living. Then make that comment again because you in a alternate universe.
You make up loses through profit that's it. Deposits are not meant to be profits if that was the case EVERY business would be asking for one. It's only for establishing your ability to purchase that's it. That's why deposits get returned to you it's not meant to keep your business from going under. Go read a book and learn something about business.
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"I will simply increase the donation for everyone to cover the possibility of the few jerks that do not respect a girl's time and probably wouldn't respect their boundaries anyway."
That's correct that what businesses do. Increase the donation to where you can make a profit and cover your shortfalls. That business at a basic level.
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an entrepreneur is a person who organizes and operates a business or businesses...
So yes by definition those are entrepreneurs
And down to the track? LOL like I said you need a better taste in women because if that's where you're picking up your girls you're definitely digging at the bottom of the barrel
I will agree to disagree and tell you to have a good day
But I appreciate your feedback
.. like I said
And MARISSA FOR THE WIN,!!!
It's so sad how when a girl messes up guys expect something in return like a deal but when they mess up we get told that it's the cost of business... We know that men don't want to send deposits because of scammers and we know that ladies required deposits because of flakes but coming up with a middle ground is more important than bickering back and forth so I always appreciate your insight
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But on a lighter and more positive no good morning everybody and I hope that everyone has a beautiful day
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No to Deposits I always pay with cash. I dont want anyone on HX knowing any of my personal information no to Venmo Zelle Cash App or Apple Pay. That is why we have a rating network on HX.
Guys if a girl wants a Deposit find a new girl. Always protect your privacy guys.
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