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Depends , I personally hate to pay for a salad, should come with the meal.
I dont mind tossing the salad, as long as its not extra.
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learn to cook at home, you'll get laid more often
if half the restaurants in the US closed, nobody would go hungry, there would be less food waste, people would be healthier, the workforce would shift into real jobs.
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3 bills for an hour's dining is my max, and even then it has to be at one of my favorite restaurants.
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People that work at restaurants dont have real jobs?
What a total douche thing to say !
Let me eat cake, huh ?
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What gets me is all the take out.
Not for me.
I want to dine in.
I don't want to be rushed, I want to eat at their table, have my water refiled when half empty, be attentive to my needs and I decide when I've had my fill.
I'm paying for the experience just as much as the meal itself.
Make it worth my while.
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Some things to think about.....
It costs $600/month to advertise on two sites. No girl can rely on HX only, especially when your told that the price you are asking for the most intimate act, is too much. It does not feel good, makes the guy look broke and total turn-off. Better to just not respond.
Do your homework. Read reviews and reach out to others if possible. If everything you see/hear is good, then consider saving your fun money and paying her what she deserves. Deciding on price alone will not get you the best experiences, in fact you might get something.
This is a very dangerous job. Do not underestimate this.
Many of us depend on this income to eat and have a roof over our head. This is not "extra" money for us to go shopping.
Supplies: condoms, lube, incall (some can't see clients at home), car/uber, outfits, photoshoots (yes we sometimes have to pay for good ones), hotel touring (food, car, etc), nails/hair, events - I'm sure I'm forgetting a billion other things
Haggling (negotiating) over our rates is insulting. What if your boss came to you and said "Today I'm only going to pay you 75% of your pay today" Yeah, you'd be upset.
OR
You walk into the Louis Vuitton store to buy a wallet. The salesperson tells you the wallet is $1800. You say "I only have $1000" Do you think Youn are walking out with the wallet? No. Did you expect to? Hope not. Same applies with us.
This is not a poor man's game. Period. Men are not entitled to see us, girls don't need to be cheaper, guys need a better job.
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True, that it is not a poor man's hobby, but at astronomical prices you're eliminating well over 60% of your potential market, so obtaining clients will increase your acquisition costs and your total take home will suffer exponentially as well !
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Lisa, with all due respect, your answer points to the problem. Everyone is entitled to set any mark they want, in any profession. BUT all consumers have limitations, and maximizing income means knowing when there's a balance of price and service.
If service hasn't changed much in my 10 years here, and I've eaten dinner with many many many of the finest to ever do it--tons of which aren't even here anymore and have fallen off my network--but food costs have tripled or quadrupled, then maybe there is a problem. When demands start to feel one-sided and extreme, then maybe there's a problem.
We know it's not a cheap game. No one is asking that it be cheap. No one wants that. No one even hinted at that. But when things go to the level of some of the best doctors and lawyers in the world, then maybe it's time to readjust. Maybe an adjustment would result in more consumers. Maybe everyone shouldn't be determining their structure on what the top of the industry are doing.
You wanna call people cheap or poor--that's obviously not the case--and the defensiveness tells it all. No one insulted you. No one called you cheap or anything else demeaning. Most of us highly respect and enjoy most of you. it's mutual and symbiotic and has to remain that way to exist. What I'm expressing out loud is what a lot of "us" are feeling, and your dismissal of that is telling.
You can't get all your expenses back from one transactions, and all businesses have costs.
The 12th player on the Lakers doesn't make what LeBron makes. And everyone isn't LeBron.
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51.1% of the American population are Women. If they all operated restaurants with the exact same menu and items, they would obviously have to employ Flexible pricing, which is a strategy that allows businesses to change their prices in response to changes in demand or other market conditions or as a result of negotiation between buyers and sellers. After all the market and market conditions dictate value. One might believe their restaurant is the best on the planet and charge outlandish prices, however if the customer base doesn’t agree then the restaurant will not be profitable. Being mindful about how you decide to spend your money doesn’t make you cheap, it makes you smart.
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THAT!!
And Lisa, what you're trying to do is shame someone into not negotiating or even inquiring, if they are willing to spend but not spend what is initially dictated.
YES, I always ask for better pricing. Everywhere. The cleaners, the grocery (are there coupons for this), private school for kids (hey I have a few of them here, can we cut a deal?), the car dealership, the jeweler. Only a fool accepts what you tell them if they don't find it to their liking. Only a closed mouth don't get fed and it doesn't hurt to ask.
We have to respect each other and be mindful, but clearly you look at it one way. Like the line in The Wire from Marlo Stansfield "you think it's one way, but it's the other way". Don't let hubris make you find out that it's the other way.
I'm obviously not the only one feeling this way. Just the only one sayin it out loud. Been here a long long time, and was somewhere before this where a lot of people migrated from to come here. I've had sooooo many great interactions and not a blemish on my record. I bring champagne and am nothing but respectful. and I plan on being here. I have disposal dough and spend it. But I hate feeling like someone is taking advantage. That's why I don't go to S-clubs. I want a fair return.
Just a warning shot across the bow to signal that things feel out of line. Take it as you wish.
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Idk
I totally get it but with the price of living going up everyone feels like they have to adjust as needed. Hell just the other day people were going crazy over the prices of eggs and gas. Hell even my rent is 2400..
Hotel rooms that used to be 150 are now 200 before tax. Hell the kimpton in HB is like $300-$400 and that used to be my fave hotel. Gas is more so traveling costs are more. So with the price of life going up it's kind of common to see people making adjustments just to stay afloat. Hotels change their rates daily ...
I decided not to raise my prices for regular friends but let's be honest, I've never seen a person walk into a Bentley dealership complaining that Toyotas prices are cheaper. This is not 2010 where life was cheaper . This is not back in 1956 where you could get a house for a nickel lol .. with life comes changes
So I get both sides but overall if someone is out of your budget simply decline and move along. No need to bash anyone
And if someone doesn't want to pay no need to bash them either. It's not being cheap it's kinda common sense. If I can get a burger for $10 at one place and it comes with fries and the works yet another place a burger is $15 and you have to pay to add things like fries and a drink, which would you go to?
Funny thing is I get told all of the time how amazing my services are, I don't have any bad reviews, always try to implement new things or services and keep it exciting as well. I even have contests for my friends to win special prizes.. I've gone above and beyond for many more than most . Yet I've seen girls that offer the bare minimum make more..
Guess it just depends on the person. I say to each their own. There are plenty of wonderful ladies that are in your range .but either way just be respectful of one another
Times are hard and there have been times where guys say that they can't afford my time and I work with them. Not everyone has the opportunity to make $300hr which is way more than youd make working anywhere else
Also tip!! If you make $400 a day you're making 12,000 a month. Sometimes ladies just need to budget a little more. Wealth is keeping your income high and expenses low. We make more than some doctors lol
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David !!
I agree 💯
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@Lisabailey2.0
Some of the other expenses that are often overlooked (or not appreciated):
Parking fees
Monthly phone charges
Monthly charges for background checking apps
Exchange rate losses (buy bitcoin for advertising at one rate then use to it buy something at a different rate, always less and planned that way)
VPN expenses
Amortization expenses on capital equipment (vehicle, computer equipment, etc.)
Expendable office supplies (paper, pens, etc.)
Security systems and monthly fees for central station monitoring (incall locations)
Loss profit opportunity due to NCNS (yep, thanks to those guys who made this a prevalent issue by suggesting that it should be considered a "cost of doing business" - it is, but who do you think is paying for it in the long run?)
Loss profit when a sleezebag reverses a charge on a payment app
Exceptional losses when someone steals your money, thousand dollar iphone, or car (oh, that's right, I should have insurance for that!)
Insurance against exceptional losses
Monthly physical exams
Medications if one is on PrEP or birth control
Reserves for legal expenses
And I am sure that I missed a couple.
@Davidpdavid
You are correct, the services are basically the same, the only thing that has changed is the costs. Everything that Lisa described, as well as what is listed above, is influenced by inflation. Services don't change, but the expenses sure do, and they are always more expensive, never less. So why would anyone expect the cost of a service to be the same as it was 5 or 10 years ago?
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It will manage it's self those asking for too much will get less and they will come to realize that they have to be reasonable or go to PD more risk.
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^^^
Wow LisaBailey.....you telling men that they need a better job!!! Whose couch are you sleeping on at this point? Just because YOU are bad at business and have no idea how to live, is not our fault.
Funny, you will take anyone's money but say we are entitled...no.
*You are NOT ENTITLED TO OUR MONEY! Most guys here just don't throw their money around...that's why we can afford things.
*Your costs of business have not doubled in the last 18 months, but your prices have. We aren't making anymore money though our cost living has gone up as well.
*Your business sense makes absolutely no sense. lol
Google "the biggest company in the world by revenue"... their reasonable prices are the reason why they have the most revenue.
*You are right...price isn't everything but we are window shoppers.
*I don't believe in haggling, but when your prices are ridiculous, expect it.
*Yes, what you do is dangerous...a lot more dangerous on other sites, but we take a risk in what we are spending our hard earned money(working 40-60 hours a week for what we do) being just average or worse.
*This is a luxury item for us.....we aren't spending Ritz Carlton prices on a Motel 6, we look for the best prices. In the end charge whatever you want, it is OUR choice to pay it. And once again, charge whatever you want but if a lot guys are haggling YOUR prices, unfortunately they don't agree with your opinion of your value v cost.
*This is any man's hobby that is willing to pay....we can spend our money on anything and anybody we want.
And maybe it's not us that needs a better job after all!!!
(Thank you David and June for your comments)
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Thank you for saying it out loud, June.
Just know that we all understand and agree that cost of living has increased with inflation. Fully understandable. But what many are feeling, and I say MANY based on the pm's I've gotten, is that the ask isn't reasonable and folks feel like it's fleecing. Like when hand sanitizer was $200 a bottle at the start of the pandemic. 😂
That's a funny analogy, but keep in mind that a Bentley has better wood, more luxurious leather, a nicer engine, prettier paint, etc. You're getting something for your costs. Toyota wouldn't sell a single vehicle at a Bentley cost.
There's a lot of action that is just sitting on the sidelines, and the velocity of money has slowed down here. that's why it's become more transient.
Like the housing market where interest rates have caused monthly costs to nearly double, and people who would've been buyers are sitting it out until things fall back to reason.
Whoever is offering a great service at a fair price should be cleaning up, because too many think they're the Bentley. Meanwhile, Mr Toyota is happy selling millions of cars.
We just want reason. Fair exchange. That's not being cheap, or broke or whatever she thinks it is, that's being smart.
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well i would never walk into a restaurant and tell the waiter i want the rib eye but only for $25.
On the other hand, i would never walk into the establishment unless i know the menu and price - in many cases I look for places which offer happy hour or has weekly specials, that way i can eat out more often...sadly i dont find many of those recently so my eating out has been minimal lately.
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Marissa,
I get and feel all that you're saying. I think we all do.
My counter is simple. It is a non taxed industry. In my line of work, I pay 40%-ish to the big Uncle and don't have to ability to write most of those things off either. So, everyone has big costs these days.
We feel your plight. it just burns me up when someone like Lisa starts with the cheap and broke.
That's some bullshit. She outta be ashamed of herself for even saying that. Shows how exploitative she takes and looks at this.
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Sheheldmeback is speaking facts, and he's been here longer than I have.....
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The days of the $1 menu are gone. EVERY industry has experienced price increases. So instead of going out to eat every week. Eat at home and savor the times you can enjoy that special meal out.
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What some us really could use is appetite control. I just can’t stop eating. The food is too good
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I think that anyone who wants to participate in the type of endeavor we speak of should take a course that focuses on supply and demand as well as basic business accounting - then it will all become clear to them. In a service industry, they can pick the sweet spot on the supply and demand curve to stay as busy as they want without getting "over prescribed" and prematurely burning out.
Regardless of what someone is selling, or what the asking price is, there is usually someone out there that thinks it is a good deal (or at least acceptable), and if it doesn't meet one's profit expectations then they need to reevaluate their business plan - ALL of it! Revenue as well as expenses. Some things can bend or be adjusted, others can't.
I can see where Lisa's comment about better jobs incited some irritation. Perhaps it could have been better presented if it were to be expressed as a question instead of a direct comment; "Has your salary kept pace with inflation?" (thinking more inline with "disposable income", which is really the key to it all)
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I think we should cut Lisa some slack. The most important component in our transactional relationship is the human component. Anyone who stays in the game too long is likely to have some sort of long lasting trauma. Men and women alike. I can’t imagine how it feels to have your personal value assigned and limited by what a stranger believes you are worth. However this is the world we live in, and if you are unable to dictate your own value or worth, you must look in the mirror and acknowledge that you and your poor life choices are the reason. Then do something about it, instead of trying to place the blame on others. If they don’t see the value in what’s being offered, that’s a personal preference and choice.
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We are in a free market society. The price is determined by demand, or "what the market will bear". That said, I have opined that if rates were say 20% lower, I suspect that demand would increase by more than that. But I am not privy as to how busy the providers are, so it's a speculative hypothesis. I have a budget or dollar amount I generally won't exceed. Those above that lose my business (Weather they care or not is another story). So set your ask, if you are busy, good for you. Bad for me! As this is human capital, not a machine, maximum income may not be the goal. Perhaps fewer transactions at a higher price may be of greater value to the provider, while not maxing out well being. (ie. Is two transactions at 600 better than six at 400?) I think everyone wants everyone to be mentally and physically healthy.
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You see, this is why you bitches need to stay in nursing school.
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A lot of people said "times are hard,"
Wrong. Inflation is going up...but times are not hard.
Times are hard when unemployment is at 10-12% AND inflation rages.
When that happens, more ladies will turn to this line of work, and less men will have the disposable income to stay in the hobby.
This will cause a market correction, and prices will drop, as the talent seeks any advantage to distinguish themselves from the competition. The best ways to distinguish -- price and photos!
And I agree with a previous poster. This is a cash industry, you're not getting your cornhole violated to the tune of 40-50% of your gross income. What you make, you keep!
So a lawyer who bills at $400/hr. gets that immediately cut in half by taxes. And while he can "write off" the rent expense, telephone, supplies, transportation, office labor, telephones, etc., the lawyer is netting far less than $200/hr in take home pay.
Ladies, think about that when saying, "I'll raise from 260 to 300, or fro 300 to 350 or 400." Even the richest with the best jobs will spend their money wisely and seek value for their money. That's why they're rich. Don't frost your market with greed. Make a good, solid return and stay safe out there!
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Econ 101, Marissa. Yes.
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Pop ups are getting pricier than some quality brick and mortar establishments.
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@OCGuy99
You hit it exactly, at least in my case, that I am a very low volume provider. That is just me. Not every girl wants/likes/needs/wants that. This blog has taught me something - that maybe its not clear to the guys that volume is a factor.
See how irritated everyone feels by me saying "get a better job"
That how we feel when you tell us our price is too high. Same feeling inside. It's not nice.
If it's too high, we WILL adjust if needed. When the pain gets great enough, that's when things change. But I do not think verbalizing that to her is necessary. It's just unkind.
I hate that written word does not reflect tone.
My bad if you were offended, I personally don't see the difference between telling someone to reduce their rates and telling someone to go get more money. Both are offensive, I guess if it was ok for you then why not me?
Why do you feel the need to say ANYTHING at all? As an individual how can you speak to what is "too much" for all clients? Just like the client will find someone to take his money, the "too high" girl will find someone to pay her price. If she goes in too high, she will figure it out and adjust.
I appreciate you guys, and rates are not personal. Not set to offend anyone.
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@YellowB2
"Even the richest with the best jobs will spend their money wisely . . "
Reminds me a some sage advice from Warren Buffet. He said that the key to wealth in not necessarily making a lot of money, but rather not spending the money you have foolishly. So I guess it all depends on what someone is looking for. Looking for something very specific in someone that has a certain look or appeal; expect to pay more. Just looking for some immediate gratification; any port in the storm. You don't ALWAYS get what you hope for, or pay for, but as a general rule it does hold true.
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This hobby is not a necessity, it's a luxury. If you can't afford it, then someone else will. I personally have backed off from seeing most providers. I can't afford it -- or more accurately don't want to. The longer I'm in this, the more I'm back to looking for a connection. That's why I only have a very short list of providers that I keep in contact with. But what I noticed is that there will always be some wealthy retiree that sees multiple providers a day for everyone that whines about prices.
And look, if they can't get business i.e. it's actually overpriced according to market conditions, then maybe it'll go back down. But obviously it's not there yet. This is just capitalism.
Lastly, I know a lot of people don't like it but I'm okay with making a single (reasonable) counter offer. Sometimes there's a match but you never know if you don't ask. I'm not going to pester someone about prices, so if that's a no then I thank them for the time and move on. Plus if someone has a short temper about it I know they're not right for me.
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Also, I don't know the situations of all the providers, but from my interactions I get the sense that a lot of them are transient and don't have permanent dwellings, making their daily expenses expensive as hell. They have to get that hotel whether they get business or not. They have to order Uber or get a dedicated driver, or rent a car, because most of them don't have permanent employment, and therefore limited credit, so they can't buy a car.
You can say providers keep all the money they make, but we know in reality that's not even close to true. How many providers do you know that save up enough money to retire? Maybe some have the business sense, but many of them came out of broken families and have no social support, and have no idea how to even begin to build wealth and integrate into society.
Go ahead and say it's their fault for not having efficient spending and investments, but their situation is part of their cost. If they have to get Uber Eats every day or buy food at the gas station, then that eats into their profit.
People who ask how much money it takes to make a burrito are missing the point. The restaurant has to buy insurance and pay rent.
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Dunkin's National Donut Day free donut tomorrow
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1 cent burgers at Wendy’s today!! Last day from what I heard… 😝
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Supply and demand… cost of goods will find equilibrium. Negotiations are part of business, the amount paid or the product quantity /quality are always in flux. I assume this is a business…
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What happens in this business when the prices go beyond comprehension, is that guys go elsewhere to ladies that are reasonably priced, and the preposterously priced lady loses that client forever. Look at Nordstrom now, they're about to close even more stores because consumers " Aint haven't it " !
The sooner that you learn that 300 / 500 pricing is not sustainable, and you get tired of your cash register not ringing and sitting around a hotel room watching movies all day, the better off you will be financially and emotionally as well !
Listen to YellowB2 - That dude knows his shit !
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Nordstrom may be closing but saks fifth avenue is doing fine lol jk jk jk
I get both sides honestly . Like there's a reason you have maestros and there's a reason you have olive garden. So if I'm going to pay quality money I better damn well get quality customer service, meals, and a wonderful atmosphere. Like you can't ask for 400 and have me pull up to McDonald's nor serve me their food for that price lol. And what really matters is service. Men mostly care about how you make them feel. I know that we deal with SO many terrible people but leave the bad habits, attitudes and shadiness at home. Everyone doesn't deserve to pay for what those bad apples do. I have been working on my attitude and it isn't easy BUT it's a terrible characteristic to have, trust me. Even when someone is rude just say ok, have a good day and keep it pushing .
On the other hand ..
Seeing more people makes girls get burned out quickly. Having to overcompensate means that your quality isn't always going to be consistent because now she has a quota to make just to get her back to square one THEN try to make a profit. But that can also lead back to financial responsibility. This SHOULD NOT be your first and only income. Also if you budget correctly you'll have the opportunity to take weeks and months off at a time to make sure your health (physical and mental) are stable.
So idk I think the most important part is coming up with a middle ground . What do guys feel is reasonable to eat out, and if you were to pay more for your meal what would be someone qualifications as to why?
Maybe we can go from there ?
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Also fellas You can not ask for great service, Unrushed time knowing she has to see more people, want the world, the sea, an arm and a leg, AND a deal lol
Some of y'all do be pushing it haha
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Haggling, negotiating and trying to get what ya want at a discount, well, just don’t be surprised when ya’ll get reported in a lady’s club on HX as a low-baller.
C’mon guys. If you don’t like the rate, just take a pass and move on. Economics 101 does not work in this business model. I’ve been in this game for a longer time than my network suggests. I would never ask less than the asking price from anyone in my little network and risk being branded as a cheap old bastard.
I just don’t want to be on that cheap bastard/low baller/oh-you-again list.
It’s just not a good vibe. Like, “Ok, you said it’s this for that, but could ya’ll find it in your heart to, y’know, I’m a little short on cash and…”
No. Don’t do that. Just a bad vibe.
I’m sure June Moon and other ladies here will knock your socks off for the rate they offer. I think you guys who want to squabble about that might want to consider a different hobby.
And as mentioned, this is a dangerous thing we do and is not to be taken lightly. There are predators out there and it’s not limited to just the ladies’ safety but yours too.
Treat the ladies with respect fer gawds sake. You guys who think they need to get a “real” job are clueless about why ladies do this. I’ve known my share of successful ladies coming out of this biz. Some still slide out there to do it on the side just for fun.
Ya’ll have to admit, it is an adrenaline rush to see a lady who is into it. I’m guessing that’s what you good folks be looking for. Price be damned.
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The girls that can command high end prices, likely aren't here.
And those that do, are likely pretty exclusive in their client list, or the proverbial "kept" woman.
More power to them, earn what you can......... while you can.
Part of the problem I suspect is simple human nature, we all value ourselves highly, in general higher than what others likely perceive our value is to *them*
To keep with the restaurant theme, many woman here likely view themselves like a Ruth Chris Steakhouse, (or higher end than that) - expensive, but damn good.
However, others, the buyers, view the same woman as being no more valuable than a steak corral or sizzler steak, and want it in an all you can eat buffet.
There in lies the problem, on the one hand, an overvaluation of self, the other, the undervaluation.
No easy answer.
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We all agreed that this is not about " Lowballing ", it's about " Reasonable " pricing and sustainable pricing, and landing and keeping clients !
The biggest cost to any business is attracting clients (Acquisition costs) !
Repeat clients are the most profitable because you didn't have to spend the time and money to attract them to your business again !
Greed is the downfall to all societies, ask the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Persians , etc.
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I stopped reading about half way down. What a ridiculous discussion. The women on this site have every right to charge whatever they want and can get. If a woman is out of your price range, move on. If her prices are too high for the service, business will dry up. It’s basic supply and demand and service. I can’t blame or get insulted by a woman asking for whatever price she can get. This is a business. I know one woman on here that started in 2012 at $300 per hour and now demands and actually gets up to $1000 per hour and she’s that good. I wouldn’t pay $1000 so I dont see her. I also don’t blame her and actually applaud her. The women here don’t owe us any special consideration at all. If you have a long term relationship with a SW and you get preferential treatment, good for you. We are talking about women providing the most interment physical acts. There’s a price to pay for that and I, for one, don’t feel entitled or insulted by pricing.
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This is one of the best blogs I've seen on this site, generally respectful and open.
Kudos to the posters.
Now, the bad news.
It's likely that a year from now, we'll be in a real recession but with high inflation.
Some of you may lose your jobs, incomes, etc.
Prepare now to weather the potential storm that's brewing.
Cost of everything has basically doubled in the last 3 to 4 years, so not surprising that menus have also changed dramatically.
Good luck.
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Lol, Ricky and I have 180 degree opposite opinion of this blog.
That's funny.
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You fucks are pathetic.
You sound like a bunch of broke ass bastards expecting to eat Steak n Lobster on McDonald's budget.
The price of cooter has always been high, unless of course y'all were cruising the Ho Stroll. Even in 2008 the price was high. But those of us who could afford to indulge would. In 2008 there's was a recession, and I was banging broads and not crying about it.
Gas goes up, cooter goes up. If you can't afford the price of gas, take the goddam bus. But stop making yourselves look bad by constantly badgering these poor chics for the price of their time.
One thing I've heard too many times. And that's how HX men are broke ass men always trying to bargain and lowball.
Set your limit. And when the reply comes back over budget, simply say thank you, and move on.
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RickyRed sits in his car with flowers and See's candy, and strategizes his every Simp moment before meeting the woman of his dreams !
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Yeah for some of y'all it's hard to believe you're fans of these women. They have all the right to charge whatever they want for access to their time, minds, and bodies, and if you don't like it, catch up to the times or move along.
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Just because one can afford a luxury doesn't mean that one should indulge in it.
Even if one can afford a service, plenty women actively discriminate.
One must also consider the high degree of false advertising.
The fewer options the better for me.
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