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It would go a long way to resolving the problem if people would use the network system for its intended purpose. If a client saw 20 reliability and integrity reds on the network of someone he was thinking about meeting, he would think twice about booking an appointment let alone give a deposit. And flip flop if a dude had a shitton of red reliables, a gal might have some idea she’s going to be flaked on or otherwise have issues and should require a deposit to hold the appointment. But no one does and so we have the situation you are inquiring about.
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Quite simply, there is no apparent resolution to this subject - it has been beaten to death on this site. CJ is correct, if EVERYONE would use the tools made available to them then the amount of bad press it gets would be almost non-existent. However, people continue to be lazy and not perform any due diligence and end up getting burned, then instead of accepting that they made a mistake in vetting they project the error (and ramifications) onto everyone else.
Keep in mind that deposit scams seem to be regional. In other parts of the country they are considered standard to the business and are readily accepted. SoCal just seems to be the cesspool of scammers and thieves.
I do not require deposits from HX Level 1 and above that are in good standing (no red flags about flaking) and have had pretty good luck with that. It is those who are not on HX that seem to have the least amount of respect for a girl's time.
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And just being real, you are going to need to establish a better network before most people on this site will even consider handing over a deposit to you.
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I’ll give ya a deposit insured by the FDIC. penalty for early withdrawal.
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I'm actually a well reviewed provider. I predominantly work on other sites however. When it comes to HX, I really only use it when I'm in certain areas. I am aware how it is around the country I am very well traveled as well. BTW, HX is not as big as it is in the southern areas so when i do travel around this isn't my go to site. I do understand that the ratings on here help tremendous as well as those from other sites. On another site I am on I have 134 5 star reviews, and still come across this problem. I've been in the industry over a decade and have seen many changes throughout. I still have regulars I've kept and maintained since craigslist days. I do agree people need to be more aware when sending as well as providers not being lazy and go pick up the rest lol. I had got one of my accounts hacked last month and they used my good name to scam, I was livid. I work very hard to have a clean reputation so I was very vigilant to getting my account back in order. It's crazy to hear but I got scammed to, I opened an e-mail which came across as a client wanting to book...and BOOM all hell broke loose. I talk about it more on my Instagram/@Laurenreign3. I'll attach a picture of the final result, long story short my account was suspended and is in lingo. A good name and reputation make things easier but that doesn't mean we don't encounter the same problems.
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I'm confused.
How EXACTLY did your other account get hacked?
Only way I'm aware of is you gave someone your password, or you had a weak password.
Either way, that opens up your clients to harm.
Deposits aside, it's a safety issue for your clients and the community as a whole.
Not trying to be overly negative, I wish you the best, but coming on here saying potential clients won't give you deposits & that it "grinds your gears" - and then a few comments later you admit to allowing clients to be scammed,........
Seems to me, you are part of the problem.
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@remo_williams
I actually made a similar mistake when I first signed up on another site. I errantly used the same email address for the site to contact me as I used in an ad. Fortunately, I caught it in time and suffered no real damage from it (I hope). On average, I get at least one scam attempt a day from people trying to pass themselves off as site management (not HX). It takes a lot of vigilance to keep them at bay. It only takes one errant click to get it all messed up.
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I no longer use physical currency. I mostly stick to longtime friends. I may take a chance with the friends of longtime friends, lol.
As previously stated, do your research which includes joining clubs here. I would just add for both sides: find some way to build trust before setting up a meeting.
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@remo_williams
like I said yes I was livid that the account was taken. I receive 5-10 emails daily from scammers "acting" like they are from the platform. You multiply that by 4 and you will understand what I'm sorting through. I know better than to respond or click on those links.
next I'm not sure what confused you? The fact that I opened an email and responded to a potential client? not every platform has their own messaging rooms or pm's. Answering emails has never created the drama that it has recently.
Like i ALSO stated whoever was behind the scam used my likeness and good name to manipulate unsuspecting people to send money. So yes that did upset me because that is literally my image my name and my brand I've built up. I have a great reputation everywhere I go. From Hawaii to New York and all in between and I do take my career choice seriously.
lastly you will not EVER call me the problem when I am an honest provider. However you do not have that knowledge of me nor even the slightest itch of an idea of who I am.
Grinding my gears because others before me ruined a potentially good call because the trust in the industry "deposits" is a very valid frustration.
***Like the other day I had a Outcall in Pahrump, and my incall is in LV on the strip. So that was a 1:20 min drive. Logically do you think I would have driven all that way there without absolutely knowing he was for sure? No i wouldn't. Because if he decided to not answer once I arrived, I'd lose out not only on gas money but my time towards someone else I may have been able to meet. That would have been 3 hrs there and back wasted. So yes I do feel comfortable when a deposit is sent because at least I know you are invested.
I'm passionate so I'm sorry if this comes off snappy however I am who I am
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"That would have been 3 hrs there and back wasted. So yes I do feel comfortable when"
That's the cost and risk associated with doing that type of business. You ladies seem to be the only people on the planet who think you can just operate a business and occur no cost and assume no risk.
If you're worried about the risk and cost then don't do outcalls the days of asking for deposits are over with it's taboo just like asking a girl to go raw.
No one else is responsible for covering your cost associated with your business but YOU.
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Dear Mr.Matrix,
I am so glad that you decided to chime in and put your two cents in on the matter.
(Matrix) "That would have been 3 hrs there and back wasted. So yes I do feel comfortable when"
(Lauren) -Do you work for free sir? just curious...I'm going to assume not...unless you have no responsibilities and live in your mothers basement...
(Matrix)That's the cost and risk associated with doing that type of business. You ladies seem to be the only people on the planet who think you can just operate a business and occur no cost and assume no risk.
(Lauren) -Here is another point where you are entirely wrong it's not just "us ladies". Local barbers require deposits. The cake lady who makes cakes and treats requires a deposit. The personal trainer may ask for one as well. This goes on in MULTIPLE businesses. So once again US LADIES are the ONLY what?
(Matrix) If you're worried about the risk and cost then don't do outcalls the days of asking for deposits are over with it's taboo just like asking a girl to go raw.
(Lauren) - Should I continue, absolutely
Please show me EXACTLY where I stated "worried about the risk and cost" "oh that's right" NO WHERE. If you were reading to comprehend and not just ASSUME you would have also gathered (since you like to assume) that I wouldn't do it. What was stated at that point of my message was that is what could possibly happen, so more of a "WHAT IF" scenario... Cause like we already assumed I would never put myself in that situation without certainty.
(Matrix) No one else is responsible for covering your cost associated with your business but YOU.
(Lauren) This is the ONLY valid statement in your entire correspondence that is actually true. I'm proud of you. So yes, it is solely my responsibility to ensure any and every cost to run my brand is provided and taken care of. Therefore Outcall = Deposit.
This all brings me right back to the beginning....
My pricing and requirements may be higher than others which is my right to do so because the clientele I have built and maintained as well as wish to attract are not comfortable going to a motel 6 or days inn. My clientele love pulling up to Embassy Suites, JW Marriott, The intercontinental, and the Hyatt. In larger cities those rooms cost 250 and up. So lets do some math here. 250x7 is 1750 multiple that by 2 and you have $3,500 that's just 2 weeks. That's not mentioning the taxes and parking as well. See when you run any type of business you have to think about everything collectively. Spending roughly $4,000 in rooms alone as well as having a personal life to maintain (which we all have I would hope) doesn't allow you to put yourself in situations that are not beneficial to your goal. So respectfully there is much more than a pretty young lady opening the door and servicing you. I am independent and take pride in keeping myself together and creating a safe environment for those who wish to have an experience with me. I cannot speak for every provider and I will not try to, however I don't like my time wasted the same way I know you gentle men do not want your time or money wasted. It is very much a respect thing.
You do not have to agree with me, but I do believe you need to be more open-minded to the reality of this life you choose to partake in from time to time, telling someone like myself how bizarre it is to run my brand.
I really got on here to basically defend the men who work hard and send there money to people who are taking their money and disappearing on them, to tings going way left to very one sided thinking folks.
Anyways I love being able to express myself and bring things to light hopefully this is the beginning of a beautiful chat room relation XO
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^^^this post sounds like management talking
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Mr. Matrix.
I am Management dear. I will gather anyone up by their shriveled little cock and set them down as well ,if necessary. I prefer being a lover tho. I'm a very seasoned and professional provider, I require reciprocated energy of respect. Everything after that is for us to enjoy.
The fact you thought management wrote this is cute lol. Babe I'm actually a very smart well versed companion who can articulate her thoughts and points well enough to even have the loudest in the room be quiet. Thank you.
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Anyone stupid enough to give a deposit to a provider is just asking for trouble.
Deposits to a Baker, Barber, or Physical Therapist are false analogies in that you retain some legal recourse if one of them tries to keep that deposit without providing their legal service.
A deposit with a provider is more analogous to a deposit with a drug dealer or a hitman.
This is a hobby that still lives mostly in the shadows and trust is exploited on both sides everyday. Money given upfront is too often money stolen with no safe recourse. The OP may be the most trustful person in the world but the deposit transaction for her services falls into the highest risk category any transaction can fall in.
I have been involved in this hobby in one form or another almost 40 years now and when I was younger I made this mistake but I will never be in a position to lose that money again simply by refusing to put up a deposit. I urge ALL hobbyists to Just Say NO to deposits.
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Not that people know how to use it, but
Bitcoin has an escrow system built in.
All we actually need is a trusted 3rd party, who is neutral. I have the technical ability to set it up, but I am a sigma male and do not have a big network on hx.
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I will.give you a deposit do you want it on ur face or ass ...Lmao
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"Deposits to a Baker, Barber, or Physical Therapist are false analogies in that you retain some legal recourse if one of them tries to keep that deposit without providing their legal service"
Pay attention manager/booker/pi you see the example another hobbyist just explained to you above. This is why you can't give these ladies money in that way because it's not a real deposit. It's just giving your money away to an online stranger and that's how you get scammed.
You're free to try it out yourself but here it's not happening anymore and that's just what it is.
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Nice DSL’s.
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Read through this blog and had to just reply this... My dogs vet requires a deposit Now everytime I book an appointment. It's annoying because a lot of regular drs. offices don't require this BUT some specialty offices do. They say it's to curb no-shows. Some places will just warn you of missed appointment fees. Obviously, you wouldn't be able to that here though 😅 I get the whole deposit thing being a hit or miss with some people. You gotta have a lot of trust in someone (reviews) to actually want to send a deposit before meeting.
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I can't ever see a deposit for incall. Yes, there is a risk of no-show that wastes time, but that happens to both sides. I've shown up only to be ghosted in the parking lot and just look at it as white noise in life that is irritating but I'm not going to stress about. That said I'm a lazy ass and don't drive far.
An outcall where you need to drive a long ways? Maybe, I can see a deposit there, but hopefully there's been enough screening to make sure the client is legit and safe in other aspects.
As far as I remember, the idea of a deposit is new on this site. Some guys in the past have pre-paid to help a lady out and sometimes that ends well and sometimes it doesn't.
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By the way, my comments are about this site, where there are tools to verify reliability, safety, etc, and negatively rate those people that are not.
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If ladies can come up with a reliable solution to return the deposit if they ghost the client then it has merit. Otherwise this is just a waste of everyone’s time. Many on this site unfortunately don’t use the ratings system for fear of a retaliatory red. They take the loss and move on.
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Here it is!
If you are truly interested in seeing me and we get to the point of actually confirming an appointment, I will send $50 via CashApp to you as a good faith deposit!
When we meet, you only need to pay my “Suggested (customary) Donation” at the start of the session. After the session, if all your expectations have been met then I expect you to return the REVERSE DEPOSIT to me either via CashApp or in Cash.
If you find that I am not the same person you expected (and essentially contracted) to see, or that you have been the victim of a “bait and switch”, then you need not return the REVERSE DEPOSIT.
If I have indicated that a particular service is being offered then failed to deliver, then the REVERSE DEPOSIT need not be returned.
If I cancel the appointment or fail to initiate the session within 10 minutes of the scheduled start time, then the REVERSE DEPOSIT need not be returned.
If I terminate the session before the scheduled session end time, the REVERSE DEPOSIT need not be returned.
In essence, if I am everything that I claimed to be, and performed as promised, I expect the REVERSE DEPOSIT to be returned to me. I would also ask that you make some comment, somewhere within the HX platform, that I am the real deal, honest and trustworthy, and that I am not likely to stiff anyone for a deposit!
This will be a limited offer – it is not to be considered an offer extended to every member of HX.
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@ Marissa thanks for offering a solution. Let’s see how many ladies get behind your proposal. My guess is very few.
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Let's see how many guys get behind it? I'm betting none! Just like our professional conspiracy theorists, guys in general don't like to be proved wrong - especially by a female.
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If a true failsafe way to not have your money stolen I would use it. Until then NO DEPOSIT
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TO: DaHost
Anyone stupid enough to send a deposit without THOROUGHLY making sure she is the real deal is yes indeed stupid. I'll agree with that. However Sending a deposit also shows you are invested to see this through. That's just my view personally.
Just to clarify you do know you can get your deposit back from providers as well, if you are not informed on how to do so well then buddy you have yourself a dilemma. As long as you are not sending via Zelle you can 100% get your deposit back, if said provider has flaked on you.
Money given upfront can be risky yes, the same risky as laying with a woman you picked up off the Net; or better yet asking for GFE services from. It's risky even if you actually like the girl. Am I not right or is this too far fetched of an idea to admit?
As long as we learn from our past mistakes and develop it's all good. I can respect the fact you've been burned so I understand. However not all of US LADIES operate in that manner. Hopefully one day you will see things differently until then it's all love.
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TO: MrAdm1n123456789
Hey I am actually very interested to hear your thoughts and how to possibly create something beneficial to the cause... I like tech nerds btw ya'll are pretty much geniuses in my book.
It's not the size of your network dear but who is in the network
*You can have all the money in the world and still can't get in the same doors as those who have influence in their circles.*
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TO: antdog
Lol I'm sure you would love that wouldn't you lol
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TO: Matrixx
"Deposits to a Baker, Barber, or Physical Therapist are false analogies in that you retain some legal recourse if one of them tries to keep that deposit without providing their legal service"
Pay attention manager/booker/pi you see the example another hobbyist just explained to you above. This is why you can't give these ladies money in that way because it's not a real deposit. It's just giving your money away to an online stranger and that's how you get scammed.
You're free to try it out yourself but here it's not happening anymore and that's just what it is.
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You can call me Lauren, little funny man, as I explained to the old man who wrote this (go back and look) you can 100% get your deposit back via a provider, you just need to know how. Now he stated that in the "normal" world legally you can, in a lot of cases you actually cannot. (example picture attached, from a nail tech page) My lash tech also has the same policy, it's nonrefundable. I know you men would LOVE to be correct but it's just not giving what you thought. You sounded better when you didn't say anything.
P.S. Babe I clearly don't need you validation to try something I know works FOR ME. It's actually you running back so thrilled someone said something you couldn't think of yourself that gets me. Lol. It's actually you who is in need of validation sir.
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@Mozis
Let me be clear. I am not personally offering an escrow service, and I am not asking for anyone to send me a deposit, quite the opposite - I am sending a deposit to them. What I am suggesting, and offering, is a chance to test and verify my authenticity and trustworthiness but only if they are/were already interested in seeing me.
There seems to be a general consensus of opinion that anyone who even sees the validity in asking for a deposit is a transient scamming gypsy or an idiot, evident in the vicious comments some guys are making. That anytime money is sent under the guise of a deposit that it is money "lost forever." Well, I am one of those people that sees the validity under certain circumstances, so I guess I now need to prove myself.
If the mere mention of the word "deposit" triggers your paranoia and makes your knees weak and palms start to sweat then we can change the terminology. We can call it a "Performance Guarantee," or maybe "Performance Insurance."
Like all new concepts, it needs to be tested before it becomes mainstream, so I am offering myself up as the beta test for that purpose. If it works out like I think it will, then maybe others will join in as well. I am not proposing that it be for everyone, just maybe think of it as that blue checkmark on a Twitter account.
Newbies are especially subject to heavy scrutiny, as they should be, so maybe this would become a mainstream method of them to establish their bona fides early in their presence here instead of waiting to become a Level 1 to be more trusted, and a great teaching method that honesty pays, and dishonestly costs money.
People that are so hard up for money that they need to scam or rob people to get it will usually not give up money on the front end (especially if they have a substance abuse problem, which is more than likely the base cause of deposit scams). These same people will more than likely have cashflow problems and not be able to send a Performance Guarantee in the first place.
But we have to prove the concept, so who is going to be first?
And to be clear; this is not a site thing. Site management will not be involved. Their first chance to see this is the same as everyone else (when they see this blog) It is a tool that should be monitored and controlled by the users. It's our house, we need to keep it clean (or, as it were, clean it up). It is a great way to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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In regards for an incall I am not firm on deposits unless I've seen previous reviews on different review based apps and confirmed the person in question may be a bit iffy. Normally that scares unwanted company away.Generally speaking no I do not require deposits for incalls.
Outcalls however absolutely. I will not come to you without one.
Now I also work with an agency as well ( on the east coast primarily) that requires a card on file from men. They take care of that but the fact its out there and has been around long before I've entered this underworld assures me deposits have actually ALWAYS been a thing; but possibly on more of a high end deal.
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TO: CandyMan71
As I stated on my response to DaHost, you actually can get your deposit back as long as you did not send through Zelle. It's crazy how many people are actually unaware of this...
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@Mozis
I really don't see a means of establishing a true escrow account, which will always be put in the middle of a he-said, she-said conflict. The "Performance Guarantee" is in the total control of the client. He decides if his expectations were essentially met in a reasonable fashion. He alone decides if he is going to return it.
Think of it more like just a one-time thing for them to gain your trust. If you see a new member that just got released from Q yesterday, has absolutely nothing in their network, and asks you for a deposit or help on paying for the room, you are more than likely going to say, "Fuck that!" And rightfully so.
However, if you have seen someone before, had a great time, didn't see anything with this person that would raise a red flag then they ask you for a little help in getting a room the next time you want to see them, you would be much more inclined to do so. Not guaranteed, but just more inclined. That's what happens when you have personal experience with someone and have developed trust. And your subsequent recommendation extended to that person is a valuable commodity.
The Performance Guarantee would simply be a way to ease fears on a first encounter. After that first encounter and trust has been established, it would no longer be necessary. Wouldn't you feel better knowing as you are meeting someone for the first time that they are likely totally legit. Only the most sophisticated scammer would dare hand over 20% of an anticipated future transaction with the intention of exploiting you for even more later.
Even when I see a new non-HX on an outcall, and ask for a deposit, which is essentially their Performance Guarantee to me, I do not require it ever again on subsequent outcalls with them because I have developed trust with them. And even though I don't normally ask for deposits from HX Level 1+ members, I might be inclined to so so if they have a documented history of NCNS, or some other hinky history. But again, once I establish trust with them I would never ask again.
The push back on deposits is due to not having developed trust in someone yet - plain and simple. I'm just looking for a way for someone to get over that hurdle in a different way. Due to some seriously sketchy actions of a few people, we have become too leary of seeing someone for the first time. They are now all suspects until they prove they aren't, and it doesn't need to be that way.
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I am aware that some forms of electric payments can be taken back by the sender if the App allows it but I'm not sure most Hobbyists would be comfortable explaining the circumstances to a third party to get back a deposit.
Your over simplification does not take into account the legality of the situation created and that is what con-artists rely on.
You can ask for a deposit all day long but the ones who give in to your request are definitely taking a huge risk that more often is an entry into a scam more than anything else.
Again...
I urge ALL hobbyists to Just Say NO to deposits.
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Welp. If my dog’s vet required a deposit to book an appointment, I’ll be looking for a new vet.
He’s got a lease and hours posted. Whether his patients show or don’t show to their appointments, it’s a sunk cost. He has the opportunity to refuse seeing the patient again in the future.
Most of his patients are good people and do not make appointments without the intention of showing up. if they are said POS, he’s better off not accepting them as clients in the future.
Granted society has become soft and there probably are enough simps out there these days that will be willing to pay a deposit to another individual with as much likelihood of flaking/ghosting, I for one agree with “NO TO DEPOSITS FOR HOBBYIST ACTIVITIES”
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"Babe I clearly don't need you validation to try something I know works FOR"
You're network says otherwise, you just a bunch of talk. Nobody is buying what you're selling. Many of you ladies are delusional these days you can talk til you're blue in the face but it means nothing if no one seeing you because you're selling a BS product. You are a non factor get it.
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Just like our professional conspiracy theorists, guys in general don't like to be proved wrong - especially by a female.
You are intriguing Marissa, I will give you that. But you would hate me in bed. I scream Bernie Sanders when I orgasm.
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He's lying, everybody knows he screams Ta-Nehisi Coates
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We get it you don't want to do send deposits.. a lot of us ladies don't require them, maybe see the ones that don't stop complaining about the girls that do...
And most of the men commenting have no network or are on fake pages. Obviously Marissa has network (and a damn good one) to know what works for her
Most of y'all don't even own your own businesses to be telling someone else how to run theirs. If you don't like the way that the restaurant is being ran then by all means eat somewhere else.
And if someone doesn't want to pay a deposit say ok and let it be. As my granny used to say "what someone won't do someone else will" (and that goes for men too).. But my god can we all stop fighting about it lol . It's it's not deposits it's rates , if it's not rates it's this, and if it's not this it's that ... Let's let it go . As adults and free human beings you were granted the privilege of free will. Use it
Deposits aren't going away. Even the nicest of restaurants require you to book and leave a card. Doctors and vets may not ask for a deposit but they will charge you a no show fee
Run your business how you want it
See the kind of girls that you want to
There's someone for everyone
But for Christ's sake ... Can we all just fuck and stop whining ? Lol
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The OP ha s been on here 18 months and has a single rating from a male. and two from probably GF's .. and you want a deposit ?? are you serious ?? somebody has GPS ......
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"Deposits aren't going away. Even the nicest of restaurants require"
The problem is not a "legit deposit" for a "legit" business. The problem is you ladies living in an alternate reality where you ask men to random strangers on the internet money then calling it a "deposit". That is not what it is it's just sending a random person money on the internet. Money that you cannot get back. That is not a deposit.
You ladies know you would never do such a thing so cut the BS and admit there are men in this world with such low IQ you can tell them up is down and down is up and they would believe you.
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It may or may not happen.
I always have every intention of making a deposit.
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^^^^^^^ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Yes Mama
I definitely have never scammed any client however . when it comes to getting deposits its like i have to pay for someone else's sin..
So you hit this right on the money there are good working girls that shouldn't have to pay for what someone else has done to a client
Just like we have to check and verify clients they have to do the same .
that way you at least make an attempt to not get set up
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This is a topic we have debated for a long time. Last August we filled two blogs (Deposits parts 1 and 2) with no real resolution. Since everyone on hx is free to ask for deposits, pay deposits, use the system properly, or use deposits as a scam; I don’t think a universal answer is at hand. For myself, I don’t see ladies for outcall, and most ladies who do incalls don’t ask for deposits, so I never send deposits.
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@grooviefan
Please go back and read OP's first sentence in the blog. She is not advocating that deposits should be a standard thing for all girls, only that she wishes it wasn't such a fucked up mess.
But which came first, the chicken or the egg? The flake or the deposit scam?
Statement #1: "A few guys (flakes and NCNS) have fucked it off for the many!"
Statement #2: "A few girls (deposit scammers) have fucked it off for the many!"
Both statements are true, but if looking at the evolution, which one do you think came first?
So obviously, with both statements being true, that is where we find ourselves today - at an impasse. It is sad when ANYBODY fucks it off for the many, but that is the nature of a knee-jerk reaction; key word being "reaction." I honestly believe that it was only when deposits started become ubiquitous (Statement #1) that scammers realized that it might be a path to easy money.
Here is the difference in all of the comments and posts heretofore; not one female on this site has EVER advocated that deposits should be required FOR EVERY GUY - IN EVERY INSTANCE. But there sure are a lot guys that will advocate that DEPOSITS SHOULD NEVER BE PAID - NO MATTER WHAT - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - PERIOD (see DaHost above,and quite a few others).
There is a big difference between stating one's own personal preference (and even giving the reasons for doing so) versus advocating for a wholesale change in policy almost akin to a union strike.
So let me put MY policy in the most succinct terms I can think of: "MY P***Y - MY RULES!" Please feel free to move on the next profile or ad if you don't like them. Losing your business will have absolutely no impact on my financial or emotional net worth.
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I got this covered. I'll be the escrow company. Send me all your deposits, then courier to me notarized documents that both parties have completed their part of the agreement, and I'll disburse funds.
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"MY policy in the most succinct terms I can think of: "MY P***Y - MY RULES!"
Sorry hate to burst your bubble but business doesn't work that way. If a business doesn't something stupid they ridiculed so if you ladies want to ask for stupid things then you ladies are going to continue to get ridiculed by your consumer base.
Don't believe me just look at the recent example of Disney vs DeSantis. Disney is getting checked for stupidity. So if a billion dollar corporation can checked for doing something stupid you ladies can too.
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You, of all people, will never burst my bubble! I will compare financial statements with you any day! When the day comes that I start taking business advice from a self-centered, narcissistic, overbearing, misogynic troll like you . . . well, no sense hypothesizing because it will NEVER HAPPEN!
You are so transparently desperate to get girls to lower their standards so you can afford them that it is laughable. Stick to the streets - that is where it seems you have to most familiarity.
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