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I hope Biden has a massive heart attack. That fucker and all the other 1920 motherfuckers need to expire.
kamel face would take over, completely fumble, be the laughing stock and quit.
FJB Bastard
FDT Loser
FRDeshithead Shithead
Bring back Ross Perot!
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Ross died in 2019 from leukemia.
Harris would be a cluster blank.
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This is a proxy war, just like Afghanistan in the 1980's or Vietnam in the 1960's & 70's.
As long as someone else is fighting Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea then we are all for it. We will supply weapons and intelligence to them. Only their people die, not Americans ("no boots on the ground"). Only their country gets ravaged, not America. Except for the logistical challenges of fighting halfway around the world, it is a perfect war.
Regardless of the outcome of the war in Ukraine, Russia will be severely weakened which will prevent their expansionist goals in the Balkans.
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A lot of us died in Nam.
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i am good with how things are going in ukraine
could always be better, but we can say that every single thing out there
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Seriously, every word Marrisa posted above is reasonable, accurate, logical, and should be accepted by every one of you about how we should be dealing with Russia by supporting Ukraine.
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you and marrisa should get together...maybe pop out some lil ones
be good for you...don't leave it all to the LEFT
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"Why is the USA funding this war?"
Because the DC elites and the military industrial complex see a fantastic opportunity to justify the military budget and launder side money into their pockets. Theirs alot of these people in the know who are investing in Ukraine reconstruction and we'll wait and see how BlackRock makes out.
Create war, level cities, "oh,.. can we help rebuild?"
"Do you believe the Ukraine is worth this cost?"
Fuck no. On the other side of the globe, NOT a NATO ally, and Putin didnt attack until provoked by the people involved with the objectives describe above. The refugee crisis created here is the real problem and Poland has finally woke up and closed their border.
NOT WORTH IT.
Personally I don't trust Russia or the Ukraine.
Their rulers are tyrants
Putin is a Communist and Zelensky's govt is made up of Facists from Nazi roots.
We should be anywhere near this shit.
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Some 46 Thousand in Nam.
Now we have Little Saigon in OC.
Some Ukranie refugees are already here and using Uber and Lyft, which is ok. Don't ask who I know.
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And leave it to MA1 to instruct us all with 'what' and 'how' to think.
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rabbit
How could I instructed someone who doesn't think how to think?
At one point, I thought you were an actual rabbit because of the absence of any meaningful thought behind your posts.
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DC elites
military industrial complex
BlackRock
NOT a NATO ally
Putin didnt attack until provoked
Zelensky's govt is made up of Facists from Nazi roots.
I highlighted rabbit's key words and phrases.
This is the crazy that we are dealing with.
No real thought whatsoever behind any comments. He just repeats what he's fed. That is the power of the conservative propaganda machine.
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It is double edged sword.
When we support a proxy war that weakens our adversaries that is good.
The unfortunate byproduct of that is feeding the industrial complex's voracious appetite.
Difficult to do one without the other.
If the weapons we supplied Ukraine had expiration dates that were coming due soon, why not give them to Ukraine? Or if they were being supplanted by new versions anyway. Don't know if that is the case, but it would be hard to argue against it.
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MA1 missed the money laundering aspect.
When the US Senate passes a resolution declaring that Ukraine funding is not to be subject to fiscal oversight you know something nefarious is going on.
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@Grumpy_Butthead
The difference between Vietnam and Ukraine is we had "boots on the ground" in Vietnam. Drop Americans into a war zone and there will be casualties. I think one of the reasons we are hesitant to do that again is a knee jerk reaction to the press basically turning Americans against the Vietnam war in their reporting of the '68 Tet Offensive.
We were probably not going to win the Vietnam war anyway, but the media just helped end it early. So one could draw a correlation of:
1) Boots on the Ground:
Pro: The Military Industrial Complex (MIC) helps the economy.
Con: Media focuses on the negatives of "Young Americans dying in a foreign land" that will erode public support, which will possible cost politicians their jobs.
2) No Boots on the Ground
Pro: The MIC helps the economy. Adversaries are weakened through attrition. Media can only focus on cost related issues which are much less inflammatory than reporting American deaths. Spending for assisting countries fighting one of our adversaries can be buried in a multitude of spending authorizations. Less heat for politicians.
Cons: Giving weapons away for free unless they were destined for being mothballed or unused by us in the foreseeable future.
That Ukraine is as corrupt as Russia is not a big concern. South Vietnam was about as corrupt as any country could be when we sided with them to fight the "bigger picture" of defeating communism.
I once heard of a Vietnamese saying: "When two water buffaloes fight, only the ground they trample is hurt." That is exactly the situation in Ukraine now except Russia is being attrited in forces and we are not. Ukraine is almost like the ground that us two water buffaloes are fighting on - NATO v. Russia.
But I agree that corruption in the MIC is pretty rampant too, but a necessary evil at this point until someone can clean it up. But make no mistake, the MIC is extremely powerful and make life miserable for a politician, if not just down right take them out. There is still a conspiracy theory that the MIC, in conjunction with the CIA, were responsible for killing JFK because he did not want to fight a big war in Vietnam.
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@Insearchofstarfish
"you and marrisa should get together...maybe pop out some lil ones"
That ship has already sailed!
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adopt about 5 needy lil ones 
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i wonder how much time people against ANY funding have actually spent looking at the total situation
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i think i like the TEMP unfunding of ukraine though
this either is or that funding...NOW hopefully they start applying some of that to help the border
NY mayor already throwing out 5billion in costs....not sure if he is talking about over period of time...can't imagine it's one year. maybe 3 years?
regardless...that is every city...that will have to reduce other services
so it's good they are going thru it...maybe they will WAKE the fuck up
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Ever since the protests of the 60's it has been fashionable to protest against 'something' - 'anything'.
Probably at least 50% of the people who protest against something don't what they are talking about.
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MA1 missed the money laundering aspect.
When the US Senate passes a resolution declaring that Ukraine funding is not to be subject to fiscal oversight you know something nefarious is going on.
Rabbit
I did miss that in your post. I agree that there must be oversight. Trump also fought against Covid relief oversight and that has been a disaster in misappropriated and stolen funds.
However, the oversight can’t be used to delay the funding from getting to Ukraine in time for them to adequately defend themselves and hopefully win this war.
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fucking trump this and that
dude? stop it...WE know you hate the guy and where you stand
just talk about the funding issue at hand
so if they FIX some potential oversight issues on ukraine? does that change things on the war? or STILL no support for UKR regardless?
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Yeah, I missed it because it wasn't in your post, but the point on oversight is valid.
You all need to think more strategically when it comes to how the US uses its financial strength to wield its power over others for our benefit.
The US isn't the world's biggest donor anymore. China gives more money to countries now because that increases their power and gives them access to the natural resources they need for their economy to grow.
China learned that from us.
And why do you think we have 10 aircraft carriers constantly moving across the world's oceans to the tune of billions of dollars of added cost to the US? It's to ensure trade routes are open and commerce is able to flow freely. The cost of operating those aircraft carriers is a huge amount, no doubt, but the benefit we receive easily justifies that cost.
You can't just look at the cost without also looking at the benefit. We can't allow Russia to become a superpower that would restart the Cold War, which would cost us trillions in the future if that happens.
The money spent supporting Ukraine is worth every penny and everyone should understand that by now.
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NOT sure how you PERSONALLY write this...but FULLY agree
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I wrote every word. It’s based on the articles that I’ve read over the years.
We don’t have to agree on everything, but there are reasons why this country spends money the way it does, which is why we have been so dominant in comparison to every other country for so long. The Romans and British lost their dominant positions; hopefully we don’t eventually lose ours because of funding concerns that appear to be reasonable on the surface but are actually woefully shortsighted.
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i said that because about 5 years ago...you wrote the exact opposite in '18 (probably because it was trump you said they spend too much on military and could better use the funds elsewhere
i ain't going to look for it...but i promise...it was you who said it
NOW i am good with people changing their minds on things....what you wrote above is the way it is
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i think the lil war has helped open some eyes on lots of things...NATO has eyes on china now...don't know why the fuck it took so long...COVID and their dealings should have done it
all other countries have UP'd the shit out of their defense spending...whatever they spend? means less we have to spend...not to mention keeping production at healthy levels. in a perfect world...would be great if not needed...but we don't live in that world.
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i think one of the funding issues is that WE don't seem to fund protecting our own borders where 100k are being killed yearly and what looks like hundreds of BILLIONS in future expense has crossed over to all the cities and still going
mayor of NY putting a number to it...should get everyone's balls pretty tight
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I had a couple of dates with a woman who was VP of a defense contractor. She was a greedy piece of shit who was only in it for the money and was pissed off that we weren't involved in a war at the time or that a war was being de-escalated.
I don't like defense contractors and think they overcharge the government, which they obviously do. It's a necessary evil that needs to be controlled. And I hate that we spend as much on the military as we do because we spend as much as every other developed country combined.
That doesn't necessarily go counter to what I wrote. Sometimes spending money is necessary and we shouldn't be shortsighted at the cost when the ultimate cost (in the future) would be much, much more if we didn't spend the money.
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that's all fine and normal
it all should BE looked at...all GOV spending
the stories are out there on how WE typically get screwed
seems like it happens in PHARMA also
BTW - Pentagon Announces First-Ever Audit Of The Department ...NPR Dec 8, 2017
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I'm good on killing Rooskies, don't care how long or how much money it takes.
Time to send every damn fancy piece of armament we got into the fray.
Nape, strafe, bomb, shoot, knife, drown, burn and fuck-bugger
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they got some hot chicks...it's funny how they MISS their homeland after being in thailand or fiji...all the shit that's going on...figure they would want to stay away for a long while
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Noticed in this blog some truths
Also, quite a bit of not so much truths
These wars you're comparing have significantly different root causes and reasons why the US got involved. If we're talking proxy wars, we COULD go all the way back to our own Revolutionary War.
Revolutionary War - basically England v. France, 44,000 french military involved on our side
Korean War - West v. East
Nam - internal civil war of unification turned proxy after the French lost. US was warned by Ho Chi Minh prior to not get involved by invading their country. 58,000 lost for nothing in what they call the "American" War.
Iraq War - Jr. was pissed that Sr. was targeted by Saddam for assassination, not sure what to call this one other than an invasion
Afghan War - another civil war we didn't need to get involved in 'cept we were pissed at Osama. Job was done after we killed that little bitch and we should been gone.
Ukraine War - kinda started in 1954 when USSR transferred Crimea to Ukrainian SSR, nobody is quite sure why. But, Putin wanted it back and took it in 2014..........BREAKING every treaty signed by all sides in 1991.
To me, that's the crux. Putin wants to recreate the USSR and we either stop him here, with no boots on the ground, or it's maybe NATO v. Russia elsewhere. Turns out Russia is a midget with one huge arm (nukes). We can beat him here with our shit and somebody else's bodies OR quite likely it'll be our shit and OUR bodies......no bueno.
NATO agreements REQUIRE our participation if this little bitch crosses the line.
Let's kick his ass here on a budget significantly cheaper than doing it later in a wider war.
Plus, the fact that this little skirmish in Ukraine has revealed what shit shape our defense supply chain is. Too many $5,000 toilet seats and not enough ordinance.
Time for some RealPolitik
I say we fuck him up good.......and now, not later
My humble 2 cents
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pretty much it
bummer it started and people dead and dying, but now that it's on? we have learned a ton...russia sucks at this conventional war thing. their weapon sells are down...china weapon sells down also
baltic states are happy
poland it happy
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Starfish you are in dire need of an ESL course, a 12 step program, or daily viewings of Sesame Street. Your English reeks like the cunt of a camel with gonorrhea.
Goebbels it is strange and vertiginous that you are one of the few right wing women who understands the war in Ukraine and what the stakes are. I have no idea what to feel about that.
Jackass as always you are a traitor and a coward. I would instruct you on the proud history of the country you betray but I do not speak pussy.
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resident cock smoker makes an appearance
i give a shit btw...glad you do though so keep it up
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GoBallsDeep!
It’s been a while! It really is a bit shocking when you post something that is reasonable and rational, devoid of any demented twists in logic.
I wonder when Goebbels will make his next appearance.
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fucking for both of you
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" ... like the cunt of a camel with gonorrhea."
I'm not getting why that becomes an analogy you relate to.
I'm neither a traitor or a coward.
I just dont like seeing shitloads of money being spent to fund the govt with ~ $2T annual deficit and when lawmakers try to debate single subject Bill's to defund portions of govt they are labeled 'the problem ' when in fact that is the only way we get out of this slow death.
Just keep printing money.
You want to cripple Russia?... fine. Have some fiscal oversight and transparency. The fucking DOD cant even keep track of their budgets and act like they dont have to.
But something's got to get cut somewhere else. Like the welfare state and the whole notion we support illegal aliens and wipeout college debt.
This corrupt govt has to STOP buying votes with taxpayers money.
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I feel somehow dirty hearing that both Hey0 and MA like what I posted.
But, fuck them.
I'm an Independent and toe nobody's line, just tell it like it is........RealPolitik
Very disappointed in the few right wingers who don't grasp the nuances here. Note that most Repubs AND your hated McConnel are all in for Ukraine.
I'm all in for any group of people that would choose to emulate the type of fucked up democracy we all love to hate. Where you get to vote for the lying thieving back-stabbing sumbitch of your choice and watch him/her go to prison.
'Murica, Love it or GTFO
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Just to complete that thought......
Nobody GAF about how you feel about anything, HeyITryToUseBigWordsToImpressPeople. You're a non-event, a black hole in human relations, a neutrino passing thru the universe affecting nothing.
I say that in the nicest way possible.
MA, the torturous twists are in your own brain. My logic is crystal clear.
You don't follow straight line sanity because you show up to the blog with pre-conditioned biases.
Sometimes, it's simply the imprecision of the words you choose to post.
Either way, it's not a pretty sight.
Regardless, I stand with Ukraine.
It's one of the VERY FEW places I want my Fed taxes spent.
Fuck Putin
Kill that rat-faced POS
Namaste
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GBD meet Goebbels, Goebbels meet GBD
Triple stacker!
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Last thought..............
Why spend hundreds of billions of dollars on armament every fiscal year just to warehouse it?
We got it, let's use it in a good cause.
And, when has a little corruption caused us to not prosecute a war?
You have NO idea how much our military has gleaned from analyzing the "modern" methods of warfare, both defensive and offensive in Ukraine.
China gets to see what a paper tiger Russia is, getting beat by a second rate, much smaller military. They gotta be thinking twice about throwing their COMPLETELY untested military into a hot war.
Make that a four stack
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same page. SEE this thing fucking thru.
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I didn't think Sailors have any money?
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As usual (contary to popular opinion) there's no easy answer. Putin will not be beaten and we can't let Ukraine lose. It's gonna be a long and bloody proxy war.
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