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Locked. No further comments permitted.China’s First Photonic Chip Production Line Ready In 2023, 1000 times faster Taiwan chips​
Oct 24 2022 06:26PM more by witler5
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Biden and Pompeo seething
      
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Oct 24 2022 06:26PM     link to this

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Oct 24 2022 06:28PM     link to this

Can't Hunter score us some of those?
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Oct 24 2022 07:01PM     link to this

i call bullshit

they got no shot at 2023...let alone 2043 on something like this



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Oct 24 2022 07:53PM     link to this


Don’t assume because we can’t build something in that time period that they can’t.

They’re a hard working people that currently build most everything else other than sophisticated semiconductors. And they’re not saddled by government regulation or unions.
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Oct 24 2022 08:11PM     link to this

I second the call on bullshit.

I seriously doubt your going to see a photonic chip doing the work of a 5G smartphone with full MODEM, Graphics, Camera, and CPU on a silicon die the size of your thumbnail anytime soon... if ever.

Although very interesting they might produce a 'normal sized chip' that only does very basic functions and the endeavor is a breakthrough in the area of low energy compute and not high bandwidth compute.

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Oct 24 2022 08:12PM     link to this

Snooze
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Oct 24 2022 08:30PM     link to this

Having a production line harder to exaggerate. But not all electronic chips will be replaced, that will take some time. The West is also getting closer in developing these chips
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Oct 24 2022 08:45PM     link to this

Won’t be a need for lithography EUV anymore though I suspect
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Oct 24 2022 08:45PM     link to this

You really need to wake me up and show me you learned how to google?
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Oct 24 2022 08:58PM     link to this

Chips smaller than 3nm not worth the production cost in many cases, and this will further solidify that
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Oct 24 2022 09:12PM     link to this

Mainstream not blasting this info on the front pages, well they rarely publish scientific breakthroughs anywhere in the world these days. drama news preferred more for clicks presumably
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Oct 24 2022 09:50PM     link to this

Yeah, Pakistan (.pk) is the world's news source.
gilbert33
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Oct 24 2022 10:44PM     link to this

I just pray for a species ending comet.

Time for a do over.
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Oct 24 2022 11:07PM     link to this

Um,... Ok,

Learn the Truth Behind Merrick Garland's Announcement to File Charges Against Chinese Spies

False Flag Dirty Bomb to Follow...
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Oct 25 2022 02:43AM     link to this

The issue is still mass production with good efficiency for China. TSMC rules the world in production because of its efficiency. Less than 1% in defects. Its almost unheard of. IC designs will come for China. Its not difficult, it just takes a shit ton of money, commitment and time which China has.

China's 7nm has 30% deficiency rate. But considering its only starting, its still VERY good without EUV.

If money isn't a concern and everything is locally sourced, a 30% attrition rate is highly acceptable for now. That rate will continue to decrease as they get comfortable in QC and mass production.

Actually China already has 2nm design and production but in extremely small quantity reserved for its military and space use. Their problem isn't about design, its about mass production in high rate. The lack of skilled engineers in mass to work on these. But time will solve all these.

Our problem is we lose trillions in sales for the next 5 years. TRILLIONS. I will say with responsibility that ALL of our top tech firms that produce in this sector will ALL have mass firing this year and before end of next year. Intel is laying off 4000. AMAT is next. MSFT follows. AMD and NVDA next quarter. Cadence is rumored to decrease its R&D due to lack of sales. I personally know folks, high ranking folks in those companies looking for alternatives. A few are even giving up US citizenship to work for China. The worst thing is China is cleaning house as well, they are proactively purging non-committal US workers in China. Either give up US Citizenship or leave China. Guess what more than a 1000 scientists and engineers stayed in China and gave up US citizenship. And they are getting Japanese and European scientist and engineers as well. This is going to hit us hard, the dilution of talents from US.

Bidumb literally killed us with this stupid sanction. Its anti-capitalism, anti-consumerism, and anti-American. He should drop dead as he says.
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Oct 25 2022 02:49AM     link to this

And stupid Bidumb pissed off the Saudi, they stopped buying Boeing. MBS just bought 1.2 billion in planes from Airbus instead of BA. That's 40 planes BA just lost in sales.

I have said this over and over, without subsidizing by our gov't, BA is done. Who are we to sanction others over state enterprise when we have been doing the same thing in tech and agriculture.

Its hypocrisy to the moon. No wonder no one gives a fuck about us and all flocks to China. We are in a never seen before downward spiral. We really need a reformer not afraid to do the right thing instead of pandering for votes. Otherwise, our next 30 years is going to shit.
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Oct 25 2022 07:28AM     link to this

Cgerm, is it possible the unions and Davis Beacon was at fault for beginning the cost of goods problem?
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Oct 25 2022 07:35AM     link to this

how'd biden piss off the Saudis btw?






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Oct 25 2022 08:23AM     link to this

'Bidumb literally killed us with this stupid sanction. Its anti-capitalism, anti-consumerism, and anti-American. He should drop dead as he says.'

Biden's an idiot. There's no doubt about that, and I still don't understand why anyone would vote for him when he'd already dropped out, didn't lose but DROPPED OUT!, twice before.

That being said do you really want harris as president???
Cause that's who would take over if something happens so bad that biden couldn't finish his term.
Granted it's almost a coin flip at this point between the 2 but at least there's a little bit of an up side with biden.
Harris is just a walking blow job.

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Oct 25 2022 08:40AM     link to this

And now because of loyalty Trump is considering Marjorie Taylor Greene as a running mate.
Harris and Greene are both mentally equal.
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Oct 25 2022 09:15AM     link to this

mtg is not gonna happen


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Oct 25 2022 01:21PM     link to this

You China cheerleaders crack me up.

If you love it so much please do us all a favor and go there never to return.


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Oct 25 2022 06:14PM     link to this

They couldn’t even make a ballpoint pen until 2019. This is a bag of lies.
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Oct 25 2022 06:16PM     link to this

My bad 2017. It took them that long.
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Oct 25 2022 09:08PM     link to this

Yeah, not sure why cgem cheerleads China at every turn
China is Japan 30 years ago right before they went off the cliff never to return
Hang Sent ate total shit the other day, once they saw Xi's Dream Team lineup

One guy simply cannot make all the decisions correctly to make a country work
He's got everybody scared shitless and productivity is already eating shit
Either they attack in 2030 or it's the long slow grind into the swamp as population drops 40%.
This is what is called "the beginning of the end" for China

And, they had so much promise just 10 years ago before Xi started his purges thru anticorruption game.
Sad
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Oct 25 2022 09:34PM     link to this

they know that and probably feel they need to make shit happen

russia was kinda in same boat


both at the same age roughly and wanting to go down in history as one of the greats


they both have great shot of being out by time biden leaves office


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Oct 26 2022 02:39AM     link to this

You know who fucked the Japanese 30 years ago? US, the USA.

Japan fucking LED semi-conductors back then. Nikon, Canon were killing it. ASML wasn't even on the map.

WE, the United States totally fucked our most loyal ally in Japan at the Plaza Agreement.

Overnight, Japan lost its ENTIRE semi-conductor industry because WE fucking threatened them.

We are the fucking thieves and robbers. But because WE do it legally by flexing our military might, that makes it all legal and fun. We robbed and raped Japan flat out.

There was nothing the Japanese could do since we fucking own them then and now. That's who we are. We are the fucking thieves and robbers when we couldn't beat the other.

And China is NOTHING like Japan. China is on the winning side in WWII, no WWII baggage like Japan and Germany. China is a permanent member of the UNSC with a veto vote and China has something Japan doesn't, Nukes and the support of Russia. China will fear no one and they fear no one. And China has a huge consumer base and a huge natural resource base and basically owns Africa and many of their resources. China is unlike anyone. China is what USA wants to be like but our population is too fucking spoiled, woked lazy, and fucking entitled. Like we are supposed to own this shit. We ain't shit compared to the average Chinese. Our workers are fucking pathetic. PATHETIC. Our regulations is barring our own success with endless reviews and planning that goes nowhere. There is no action but all talks with us. Its shit.

Why I'm high on China? Any fucking idiot would be high on China with half a brain. Elon Musk is high on china. Bill gates is high on China. Buffet is high on China. Fucking Bidumb and his fucking son are high on China. Trump was high on China. If Trump and Bidumb are not high on China, they wouldn't be mentioning China in every other sentence they utter. They simply won't care.

And who the fuck are you to tell me what to do? Why don't you go back to whatever shit hole you came from, or whatever shit hole your ancestors came from? I will say whatever the fuck I want to say. Why would I go to China? I want to make money and profit off of China. Read the words I typed. Its about fucking profit and the right strategy.

Name another fucking nation than has the buying power of China, the manufacturing power of China, and the discipline to achieve all of the above like China? You can't. There is no fucking replacement. Just fucking watch the 2 years, Bidumb is fucking kill us all with this isolation policy. Not even Japan, South Korea, and Australia are with us on this. France and Germany's leaders are visiting China in Nov. They are pleading with China to invest in their own nations. Volkswagen just spent billions to invest in Xinjiang. Same with BMW.

France and Germany just bought a shit ton of Chinese built BYD electric cars. Hundred of thousands of them in Germany. Think about that shit. German companies buying MOTHER FUCKING CHINESE BUILT EV in hundreds of thousands instead of German's own.

Fucking Think ABOUT THAT. Meaning Chinese qualities on EV is superior to German's own.

Cheap quality and unreliability for Chinese products are over. Get with the fucking program. Or you will be the rest of the American idiots who gets left behind to rot and wait for a fucking slow death by dementia like Bidumb.
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Oct 26 2022 02:58AM     link to this

They couldn't make an EXCELLENT ballpoint pen. Not that they couldn't make a ball point pen.

Big difference there. They didn't have the refining tech. And when their leaders said go fucking make the BEST quality ball point of the ballpoint pen. Their state enterprise went ahead and spent the time and money and innovated their own. Now, the BEST in the world. Better than Japan and Germany. Took them 5 years.

This is what I'm talking about. They don't talk, they act. And when they made a decision, they spent the time, effect, energy, determination and most importantly, the money with talent to achieve their target and goal.

Ball point isn't a priority to them since other companies have the tech and China simply manufactured them. 38 billion dollars worth each year. They never cared much like semi-conductors. Since they can purchase, they didn't INVEST in the tech to build their own.

Don't confuse the point here. China didn't care to invest to make the ballpoint before their leader said they should. Then they did once the decision was made and put in action.

China also put a fucking human being in space. I don't see Japan and Germany or any western powers do that except for USA and Russia. So what they couldn't or didn't care for a ball point.

And this is the scary part. Now China wants to build its own IC designs, Fabs, machines and software on ALL semi-conductor related areas. Meaning, more than likely within the next 5 years, they will achieve ALL these goals. Because them Chinese are not just talkers, they put in the work, time, effect, discipline and fucking actions. History tells us that. All the success stories tell us that.

If you are so down on China, tell me why the United States of American are behind China in 5G, 6G, A.I, and Quantum Supremacy. We are the ones blacklisted China companies. They are not the ones blacklisting ours. You know why? Because they just don't fucking care. Not that they are behind. They will sell us shit if they can profit on it knowing that money will be used to further R&D on their own.

Are you fucking losers like Zeros and Sleepone just keep on being like your fucking handles. Being Zeros and keep on fucking sleeping. Stay in your own fucking pathetic lanes. Don't spread your stupidity to others. Keep being losers.
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Oct 26 2022 06:23AM     link to this

Cgerm is angry.
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Oct 26 2022 06:35AM     link to this

Don't fuck with cgerm, he comes fully loaded.
He will issue out 30 minute ass whoopin every time. Have you looking for the nearest exit.
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Oct 26 2022 08:04AM     link to this

"If you are so down on China, tell me why the United States of American are behind China in 5G, 6G, A.I, and Quantum Supremacy."...

The US is *NOT* behind anybody on 5G and 6G development. In the list of suppliers in those markets there are many players actors, and real developers. At the top is the same US company that created it all.

The US blacklists specific Asian nations because they routinely try to steal technology through multiple avenues.

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Oct 26 2022 09:03AM     link to this

You tell em SimpleJack!
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Oct 26 2022 01:12PM     link to this

“They couldn't make an EXCELLENT ballpoint pen. Not that they couldn't make a ball point pen. ”

Negative. They could not make a ballpoint pen until 2017. They could not figure out how to make the tips of the pen:
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Oct 26 2022 01:42PM     link to this

Its no secret that the 1 little person policy and a preference for men is what is fucking their population over.

They are fucking over Hong Kong, which was the jewel of Asia and a booming economy by laying the smackdown on their freedoms they have enjoyed since they were a UK property.

What do you think will happen if they try to take Taiwan?


TSMC is one of the top chip fabs in the world and they are diversifying in Arizona in case the chicoms do the stupid thing and attack Taiwan.

Ya, they can throw a building up overnight, but I wouldn't want to live in it. They don't have the regulations that we do, and I dunno about you but I like it when my buildings don't randomly fall down.

The US has its problems, but I will choose here every time. I'd rather not get my head kicked in by the Chinese police for speaking my mind about things.

Cgem, what keeps you here if you love China so much?
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Oct 26 2022 02:44PM     link to this

Nope, not even possible.

Someone develops it first, China steals and manufactures it.

So there.
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Oct 26 2022 09:05PM     link to this

Guess I found his trigger point.
Maybe he doesn't live there cause he doesn't speak the language?
I dunno but cgem is most likely a Manchurian Candidate
You see what i did there?

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Oct 26 2022 10:16PM     link to this

tremendous amount of love for the country

i'll definitely make a bet on the OP post...it ain't happening by that date



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Oct 27 2022 11:01PM     link to this

I for one endorse fabs in Arizona, but it will be difficult
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Oct 28 2022 06:44AM     link to this

Hey Zero, stop messing with Cgerm.
He doesn't understand the reason China is powerful is because the people have no rights. They are made to obey. They have to work for peanuts. They have to work 16 hours a day for a bowl of rice. The techies have to produce or be imprisoned. How does China flood the world market with cheap products? Cheap or Slave labor.
I urge Cgern to visit Chinese ghettos to watch poor citizens pick thru discarded electronics stripping them of salvageable minerals. If and only if he can actually breathe through the smell of mercury and PCBs that filter the air. Breathe through the polluted air from burnt coal and fossil fuels. Breathe through the smell of feces and urine that permeate the dirt streets. Perhaps he can stop and share a lunch break of fried rodent or a delicacy of mud snake.
A super power that treats its citizens as a 3rd world.
I'd say this like shopping for your son or daughters school clothes at Pedo R Us and praising and supporting their success. L
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Oct 28 2022 08:32AM     link to this

*silently stalking this tweet all the sudden lookin for 👌💯 investment advice lolol
Goooood morning everyone! XoXo
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Oct 28 2022 08:33AM     link to this

I said tweet… that’s funny lol
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Oct 28 2022 11:45AM     link to this

Can i get all chip designers to raise their hands. Everylne else plese stand down. This is just another uninformed circle jerk.
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Oct 28 2022 11:45AM     link to this

Everyone*
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Oct 28 2022 12:06PM     link to this

yet when legal cases come up?

we have all the experts...until the supreme court whacks the shit out of you within a few months...that's always fun





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Oct 28 2022 12:27PM     link to this

Starfish
Sober up. Go for a walk. Maybe you need a hobby.

You are so fucking average. I hope you have a pension because if you are still working, I fear for American business.

So dumb.
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Oct 28 2022 01:18PM     link to this

Sorry….gotta post this ✌️
https://youtu.be/pEQ-a6sgjvc
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Oct 28 2022 03:02PM     link to this

enjoyable interview with a guy who has seen it from all sides

definitely ALL china interviewer

thanks for the post







sleepyone
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Oct 28 2022 05:16PM     link to this

“Can i get all chip designers to raise their hands. Everylne else plese stand down. This is just another uninformed circle jerk.”

And I raise my hand. You didn’t expect that did you.

I also have a previous job background in manufacturing, the military, the unemployment office, Finance, and the Feds, which is why I laugh my ass off when you guys talk about these subjects.
GoBallsDeep
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Oct 28 2022 06:48PM     link to this

"Can i get all chip designers to raise their hands. Everylne else plese stand down."

This is the same dumbase who made a medical diagnosis in another blog without seeing the patient or being a doctor..........fucking cuck


InsearchofStarfish
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Oct 28 2022 07:45PM     link to this

same shit over and over

if it's not that...it's calling for more tits...where were those calls for tits back in 2017 thru 2020? nowhere

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