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Wonderful, now I'll be pay $40 for my fast food meal.
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How to KILL small business.
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"Oh I know how to make everything more affordable! Just force businesses to pay their employees more money!"
That must be the strategic thinking that MA1 was talking about.
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lets go back to 4$ an hr
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Pretty soon our currency will be just like Mexico's.
We're going to fuck our self and make everything so damn expensive
that you'll want to raise the minimum wage next time to $50 an hour and so on.
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Mexican peso 100 is equal to 4-5 us dollars.
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Next usa currency $100 today is going to be valued at $5 as well the way we're going.
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did you ask how much she was getting per signature.
Last petition I was asked to sign the guy said he was getting $10 per signature.
The gambling initiatives that where just on the ballot got $7 per signature.
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I'm sure the minimum raise thing is just a lure for signatures. There's gotta be a hook at the end of that lure.
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2.25 sigs per hour and bam!
Why not $100/hr or maybe $1,000?
Everybody needs to understand the magical world of the Progressive, lol
Wave a wand and shazam.......
The part I love about it is how, in the end, the human will be replaced by a machine
Or, some part of the process will change so the human is removed from the equation
Otherwise, we'd still have elevator operators and buggy whip makers
Why not just skip the job part and give these minimum wage people food and a house, couple of cars and maybe a yacht too?
I mean why not, We're just waving our wand, right?
Stupid fucking Progs. 
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OK amigos, here's the sad truth and we might as well face up to it.
Psychologists tweak the IQ test so the average is 100
And 68% of gen pop falls between 85 -100, that's 2 standard deviations
Which means that approx. 16% of gen pop fall below 85.
Think humans like Hey1, Corndog, MA and such
But, even at 85, you're not a knowledge worker
That means there's a shit pot full of these folks who are perfectly nice people
Who will never earn much money in their life, may end up homeless or with medical issues, etc
Throw in the mental cases that are peppered throughout the IQ levels and that's a lot of folks
As a society, we need to talk about how we help them, given their meager skill level
That's on all of us
Progs always have the easy answer that's sounds good and is exactly 100% counter-productive
We need to ignore those idiots and come up with better ideas
These under-actualized people aren't going away, best face it and figure it out.
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^uneducated peasant.
This reports findings mirror decades of more sophisticated academic research, providing simple confirmation that opponents perennial predictions of job losses when minimum-wage increases are proposed are rooted in ideology, not evidence.
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The problem is that a huge percentage of the American population won't work for any amount of money. Why should they when they keep getting "stimulus checks" and "inflation checks" (lmao) and other "free lunch?" At one time, illegals would do the work but now they get free lunch, too. Unfortunately, it's not really free; the few of us who pay taxes are paying dearly for it. Thank god for our dear (brainless) leaders Biden, Fetterman, Pelosi, Newsom, etc. Let's elect more of the same! Sh*t hole countries, here we come!
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^ Idiot who doesn't own a business
There's tons of literature that documents the correlation
The replacement of labor by capital has been happening for over 100 years
Its one of the reasons little cunts like you complain about capitalism
Or, did you just forget that part while you were frantically google-searching?
Besides which, you dummy
That wasn't the point of my post
The point is there's tons of people perched on the l-edge
Our society needs to come up with a better answer than just increasing the minimum wage
We're just chasing our tail on that one
And they will NEVER keep up with Joe Biden's inflation
Own it beeyotch
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^ Obviously meant for the idiot, not the bird
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My first job was $2.25 hr minimum wage working at Miller's Outpost many years ago. sheesh
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this is fake socialism
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The minimum wage should be zero. Minimum wage laws are nothing more than government imposed price controls on labor. This isn't rocket science, it's actually quite a simple concept. The free market should determine the value of a worker.
https://www.ipi.org/ipi_issues/detail/the-minimum-wage-is-a-price-control-debate
Everyone should read 'Ecomonics In One Lesson' by Henry Hazlett. It's a real easy read even if you aren't into economics. You can download it for free at Mises.org. This is part of his chapter on minimum wage: https://mises.org/wire/hazlitt-explains-minimum-wage-laws
Anyone who argues for an increase in the minimum wage has never owned or managed a business and is an ecomonic illiterate. Educate yourself.
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^^^^^^
Sherif is right. Its price controls....and never ever works.
No one is expected to raise a family of 4 and have a house why asking if you want fries with your order.
And....I did all of those jobs and more PAYING from my OWN college.
I stocked shelves at grocery....short order grill cook....cleaning....etc.
These are entry level at best.
Went to my local donut/food shop in the morning yesterday.
Paid 12.00 for a breakfast burrito which used to cost 9.00 a year ago.
Inflation yes...along with increases in wages....etc.
Means FEWER people will be buying these products and services....which means MORE people will be unemployed.
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Why is it, the more you pay a person, the less they do.
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Minimum wage increase just makes you complacent to stay in that spot and live check to check.
Fuck that shit, get out there and get something going that'll fufill your spirit and not crush it like working at an Amazon warehouse
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@Rico
I’m flattered that I occupy space in your brain where you can’t stop thinking of me, but don’t put words in my mouth. Since you’re so smart, tell us what you propose to do to help support those who can’t afford to live on the meager wages that they make.
Being the delusional conservative that you are, do you believe in trickle down economics where cutting taxes for corporations and the rich will supposedly lead to middle/ lower class prosperity? Everyone knows that has resulted in the gross income disparity that we now have in this country and the homelessness that we all complain about. Thank you, Reagan!
So tell us what do you propose to do? Conservatives continually bitch about everything yet offer up no solutions.
@Goebbels
It is clear that you’re butthurt after I repeatedly called you out for being ethically and morally repugnant. You’re a twisted fuck that seriously needs to see a psychiatrist, yet you think you’re qualified to assess the intelligence of others?
Be more introspective and deal with your obvious issues. You have a few brain cells that you can utilize, but their not communicating effectively with each other. Fix yourself before your criticize others. And get out of your parents’ basement already. You’re embarrassing.
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@mildlyamusing.
One question. You asked, "tell us what you propose to do to help support those who can’t afford to live on the meager wages that they make."
Why do any of us have to "help support" any of them? Your question presupposes "we" have that obligation to begin with.
If you answer is that it is a "moral" obligation, well then count me among those with no morals because I feel no obligation.
I prefer to use my $$$ to "help support" those I choose to... starting with family and then the wonderful independent contractors found here on HX.
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@SurfMonger
So you're fine with the homelessness in this country? Is higher crime acceptable to you?
Unfortunately, society cannot function effectively when a sizable portion of the population cannot support themselves and their families. We have no choice but to help those in need support themselves or they are going to become a burden on us all.
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Did you ever stop to think that an artificially high minimum wage is the CAUSE of some homelessness?
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It's a double edged sword.
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$40K a year for a moron to take my order at the drive thru and already gets it wrong 70% of the time...I said Coke, not Diet!!!
And that should increase the now $10.00 order to closer to $15.00!
So if I pay half again more for everything, and my prices go up 50%, guess what...people complain and I lose business.
There should be NO minimum wage...the market should control. Just like 6 months ago when Panda Express was offering $22/hr for cooks because they couldn't get any help. An excess of workers yields lower labor prices...a shortage? Higher prices. Injection socialism and government regulations into the process only screws it up.
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GoBallsDeep, you better hope the minimum wage increases so you can afford to buy your flat ass mom some butt implants for Christmas. I'm tired of hitting it from behind and seeing her flat pancake cheeks.
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"Did you ever stop to think that an artificially high minimum wage is the CAUSE of some homelessness?"
@SheriffBart
Please explain what do you meant by this statement.
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Sign the petition this way.
Alfred E. Newman
Sign out of order
Put the wrong date in.
What me worry?
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There is a huge disparity between what the average worker makes and what the CEO (and other executives) make.
The social services being provided by the government are actually paid for by the public via taxes.
The rich pay much less in taxes (by percentage of income) than the middle class.
………………………...Wealth Growth…...True Tax Rate
Warren Buffett…………..$24.3B…………….0.10%
Jeff Bezos……………….$99.0B...................0.98%
Michael Bloomberg……..$22.5B…………....1.30%
Elon Musk……………….$13.9B...................3.27%
So tax cuts for the rich and insanely high executive pay result in the rest of the American public paying for income shortfalls of those at the bottom of the income spectrum.
Increasing minimum wage (creating a living wage) should reduce the need for social services.
Putting things into perspective:
When adjusted for inflation, the 2022 federal minimum wage in the United States is around 40 percent lower than the minimum wage in 1970. Although the real dollar minimum wage in 1970 was only 1.60 U.S. dollars, when expressed in nominal 2022 dollars this increases to 12.04 U.S. dollars.
The CEOs of S&P 500 companies earned an average of $18.3 million last year — an increase of 18.2% and more than double the U.S. inflation rate.
Its annual Executive Paywatch Report, a comprehensive database tracking CEO-to-worker pay ratios for over 20 years, reveals that S&P 500 CEOs averaged $18.3 million in compensation for 2021—324 times the median worker's pay, and higher than both 2020's pay ratio (299-to-1) and 2019's ratio (264-to-1)
Although the pay of average workers rose 4.7% last year, their real earnings after inflation fell 2.4%. By contrast, CEOs kept well ahead of last year's inflation rate of 7.1%.
I think increasing the minimum wage to an amount that allows people to pay their bills (including rent, food, and clothes) is reasonable. Corporate greed should be curbed by not allowing CEOs and other C-suite executives from fleecing companies of money that should go to higher wages for all employees. Without a living wage, people who can't afford to live on what they make are going to seek social services, which are paid with the public's taxes. The rich should pay their fair share of taxes as well. Everything is interrelated.
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$46,800 a year? Alrighty. I would fire 2 workers and require the one I be paying that salary to take up the slack.
Offer him/her generous health benefits and a 401K. The ones I fire to support that? Oh well.
There is only so much money to go around. Our revenue projections dictate salaries and we budget accordingly.
I am not taking a pay cut for myself to keep an employee employed.
We always find a way and when the state mandates wages and benefits, and we can always automate and eliminate that challenge to our budget.
We cannot continue to support failing education systems that send me unprepared and undisciplined workers who want money and cannot do the job assigned to them.
This is the biggest challenge to small businesses. There is a lack of skilled workers coming out of California schools and colleges. Ya'll just voted in the same folks who think this is not an issue.
Yes. This is an issue and unless yer Asian, you don't have to worry about this cuz Asian's value education and have the skills I look for.
The leeches looking for a 40 thousand+ salary for menial labor? Ya'll be out of luck if you looking for work at my company.
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"Without a living wage"
Would somebody please define a "living wage" for me.
Another one of those meaningless jingoisms from the Prog crowd.
To me that means flying JSX or first class
Having a token Prog to run my errands
24/7 blowies
Who wants to pay me my living wage, huh?
I couldn't live like corndog
Trying to hit mom's flat ass with his 1 inch weenie
That's no life at all
Corndog, you should consider jumping into a wood chipper
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Couldn't say it better Redfish
You can always tell the difference between those who create businesses and actually provide jobs
From those who can't or won't
And end up like corndog or MA
Jealous, envious and wondering why the world is so unfair that it's left them behind
That's a socialist Prog for you right there
Sad.
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"Did you ever stop to think that an artificially high minimum wage is the CAUSE of some homelessness?"
@SheriffBart
Please explain what do you meant by this statement.
Some homeless people can't find a job because their skills don't warrant them being hired at the artificially inflated (government mandated) minimum wage. If they could be hired at a market rate they might make enough money to afford housing as well as getting a foot on the ladder where they could get the training and experience to move up to a higher paying job.
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If you own a business that relies on the labor of others and you cannot afford to pay a livable wage then you probably shouldn’t have a business.
It goes both ways. Owning a business is not a right and neither is holding a job.
For too long US citizens have subsidized the workforce for big corporations like Walmart and McDonald’s. These are corporations that make billions in profits but majority of their workers are on food stamps.
The ugly part of capitalism.
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As has been pointed out by other HX members, capitalism works, socialism doesn't work,
yet we have these idiots who keep insisting it will work.
History has shown the socialism leads to a dicatorship.
Just look around and see how the govt wants to tell you how to live.
In the USA, the people are supposed to decide how they want to live under
a constitutional republic.
Most of you voted for Biden and look what you got. Time for a change.
More misery to come for many in the USA as long as the Dems are in control.
HX is a result of capitalism. Once you let the government take charge
HX as we know it will be gone.
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@ Rrod111401
That was exactly my point. Our government should not be subsidizing companies like Walmart and McDonald’s who underpay their employees.
Some of you will claim the cost of goods and services will increase of a company is forced to increase wages for its employees. First, corporate greed needs to be curbed. I’m not talking about small companies that need to compete with larger companies. It’s the larger companies that are fleecing the government by shifting the burden of supporting their employees onto the American taxpayers via government subsidies. Second, executive pay and shareholder distributions are also being subsidized by the American taxpayers indirectly. The money that should have gone to the average worker, which is being paid by the American taxpayers, but is being redirected to executives and shareholder distributions.
What is a fair wage for a CEO? They can still make millions, but maybe not hundreds of millions. And maybe companies that provide necessities (such as oil) shouldn’t have profit margins that have increased 500% or even 2,000% over last year’s profits and then blame increased prices on inflation. They created the inflation we are all experiencing by gouging the public with artificially high prices on the goods they sell. That is corporate greed.
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@DrBoogie
Going to ignore a lot of your nonsense cause let’s stay on topic.
Unchecked capitalism has led us here. Super wealthy controlling all aspects of life, depleted middle class, poor working class with 40+ hour week jobs that can’t make ends meet.
Is this sustainable? No fucking way. Corporations have to realize they need to pay a respectable wage or else people will change that one way or another. If voting to increase minimum wage then so be it.
We did see pay increase after the pandemic when corporations realized that people won’t work for $8 a hour. They dig in pockets and paid more. People just want more and corporations can afford it.
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"Unchecked capitalism". What a joke. If you think we live in a free market capitalist society you're delusional. All of you bitching about corporations getting handouts and forcing workers to live on food stamps where do you think those handouts come from? THE GOVERNMENT! Who do you think writes the tax code? The government is the problem, not the solution.
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Yes government is letting corporations get away with this shit. Nobody disagrees.
Government has been allowing this since the 80's. Free market enthusiasts say the markets regulate themselves so government should not intervene.
Well we know that is a bunch of horse shit.
Thanks comrade for recognizing the problem.
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I feel like topics like this keep the working class at each others throats while the ones pulling the strings continue to fuck us all over.
The other day a headline came up that said working 1 job isn't enough anymore.
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"Going to ignore a lot of your nonsense cause let’s stay on topic."
You gotta be kidding me, lol.
As he spews non-stop gibberish, you can tell this guy is an employee......and probably a bad one.
Not that employees are bad, I gave my best ones equity cause it's the right motivator.
But, don't come asking for it just cause you happen to have a pulse and smelly breath.
Can't tell you the number of employees I had come to me wanting to be a manager of people when they could barely manage themselves.
I got no doubt that MA and Rod are both in that category, weak ideologues
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^^
You remind of some asshole I know who owns a couple dominos pizza joints and walks around acting like they are Elon musk and Warren buffet wrapped in one. I wouldn’t trust this dude taking my mail to the post office.
Good for you and god speed.
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GoBallsDeep, it's likely you've been a spoiled little shit your entire life and never had to work, kinda like Trump. Nobody would hire an obnoxious fuck like you, even if you volunteered.
What you need to focus on is a boob job, and get rid of your man tits. Maybe then you'll look presentable and someone will hire you.
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I continue to assume Goebbels lives in his parents’ basement. Otherwise, he’d be homeless…begging for change at freeway off-ramps.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis
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:The part I love about it is how, in the end, the human will be replaced by a machine
Or, some part of the process will change so the human is removed from the equation"
I have investments in a company that does exactly that. The future of the American workforce are the ones who are intelligent enough to manage and evolve artificial intelligence into the current labor pool.
McDonalds and Starbuck workers? Gone.
Ya'll should have paid more attention to science and technology and less on social studies.
The labor workforce in the next 10 years will be reduced to welfare recipients living on government handouts with subsidized housing in ghettos and barrios.
Ya'll had a chance to change this in the recent mid-term elections but you didn't. You voted for the lies of a Great Society and it's gonna come back to bite you in the ass.
I didn't do this. You progs and your socialist agenda did this.
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Looks like the "weak entitled employee" label struck the bullseye!
Here's a new term you should learn ladies, POPO.
MA, Rod and Corny....
Passed Over & Pissed Off
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LOL, AI would be happening no matter who is on charge. Both parties are owned by corporations, thanks to Citizens United.
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It always amazes me that fools think that you can just raise taxes on the "rich" and tax corporations more - as if actions happen in a vacuum.
Sure, go ahead, give free shit to the poor by taxing the rich.
The predictable outcome is that the poor will end up paying for it one way or the other.
You can NOT mandate profitability and ROI of a corporation.
To put it another way:
Corporations don't pay taxes. They collect them.
Meaning the cost is passed on to the consumer
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The end.
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